Not given promotion I was promised

moneyistooshorttomention

Adding to "Yep...I'd have been gutted too if I'd known the job was rightfully mine".

I've had similar situations - ie where I was obviously the best candidate for a job I was applying for internally and didnt even get an interview. Sometimes I thought "Yep...I can see she's better than or equal to me". Other times - I knew darn well I was obviously better than the person who go it and I'd still not even had an interview for it. You never know the odd personal reasons why you don't get a job that's rightfully yours sometimes (thinking here of one I applied for once and had a distinct suspicion I was the best applicant - I did find out the reason why I hadnt got it later was that the boss thought "sleep with the boss" was part of the job description and realised I'd refuse to LOL).

Sometimes it's a "if your face fits" scenario and someone somewhere has let their subjective opinions of people run riot - rather than deciding logically and choosing the best person.

I'd echo the fact that it would absolutely THE worst thing you could do to chuck in the job without another (at least equivalent) job lined-up to go to. In this day and age we all struggle to a greater or lesser extent in getting another job to go to. The last thing you need is to find there wasnt even a worse job to go to and the DWP breathing down your neck disqualifying you from benefit for a while because you'd "left a job of your own free will":eek:

Hang on in there. Stay as calm as possible. Keep fingers crossed "the new person" may not work out in the job and perhaps you'd get it after all. Take your time looking round for a job elsewhere at a higher level and only leave when you're very sure you've found something better than you have.

NeilCr

cr1mson wrote: »

I once was in a position where we had someone who was acting up in a managers position (with appropriate additional pay). As we were obliged to advertise externally we did so and held interviews.

The person who was in position gave an absolutely terrible interview. They acted like the job was theirs already. It was very clear that whilst they had done the job well they could go no further with it so we appointed someone else.

Yes.

Been there, too. A couple of times. Once we were willing the candidate to improve but they just didn’t.

I, too, do wonder whether the OP got a bit blase assumed they would get it and, maybe, relaxed about it a little too much. It’s easy to do, especially, when everyone has been saying nice things about the way you are performing. Having said that I’d wonder why they advertised externally if they were sure the OP was the right person for the job

And, as bouicca21 said, you can’t discount the outstanding outside candidate turning up.

fraserbooks

I have been in a situation where we employed an agency member of staff to cover a role. He was hard-working, friendly and capable and everyone including us assumed he would get the permanent post when it was advertised. However the company prided itself on its equal opportunities policy and at the interview stage he did not have the skills needed and an outside candidate gave better answers. Luckily this story had a happy ending as one of the managers was able to give him some coaching and he got the next post he applied for.

Is it possible to ask for some feedback on your interview? I would try to find out why you did not get the job and see if it is Something you can remedy before walking. It must be very frustrating for you.

ohreally

fraserbooks wrote: »

However the company prided itself on its equal opportunities policy

fraserbooks wrote: »

Luckily this story had a happy ending as one of the managers was able to give him some coaching and he got the next post he applied for.

Equality in action.

xapprenticex

ohreally wrote: »

Equality in action.

Equality and fairness are not always synonymous.

sangie595

"Fairness" is for 4 year olds to complain about! By the time you are an adult, most people should have figured out that "fair" only applies to getting what you want. It's "fair" if you get it, and "unfair" if you don't. And, as such, it's a stunningly subjective measurement...

It seems that the whole of this thread is a discussion on whether this is "fair" or not. In actual fact, since we weren't in the interview, and we actually have almost no information except for the fact that the OP thinks it's unfair, not one of us knows anything about it. The OP may have totally misread the situation. The OP may have misunderstood what was being said and heard what they wanted to hear - because heh, that never happens, does it? Or we could turn the same scanty information on its head and wonder why on earth someone who had apparently already been doing the job for 11 months couldn't wipe the floor with the competition? Maybe they aren't as good as they think? Perhaps that was the reason for the employer deciding to advertise externally - because they had already worked that out and wanted to test the proposition in the open market?

As for "using" the OP, that's the definition of being an employee! Employees are used by employers to deliver what the employer wants in the best possible way, usually for the least possible cost, but certainly rarely if ever for the real economic value of their product. It's called "capitalism" - using the resource of people to produce things and only paying them a fraction of the value of their production so that profit can be generated for those who produce nothing.

Yes, I'm sure that the OP is gutted. They've also learned a valuable lesson, and one that has nothing to do with the skills or experience they have gained in the last year. One poster described this situation as "the job being rightfully theirs". Rubbish. No job belongs by right to anyone. If they did, they'd own the job, there'd be no dismissals, no redundancies....

The world isn't "fair". And that means that we are all in the same boat. Get over it or get on with it. Or move on. But whinging about it won't make it more fair.

And I'm finding it perverse given the number of threads we see about how the internal candidate always gets the job even though they weren't the best candidate; or the promotion just being handed to the bosses favourite, that there's so much antipathy towards an employer who did nothing more than run an interview process to see who was the best candidate for them .... It's a no win situation. Interviews are a competition. There are winners and losers. This time the OP lost, and their only real option is to see if they can find out what would have made a difference, and whether applying that gets them the job next time they go for one.

teribar

Thank you so much to everyone who has taken the time to reply. You have all confirmed what I thought, that I have no recourse in this situation.

Despite being the position being referred to for 11 months as 'your job' I don't think I was ever complacent. On the contrary I was very nervous about the interview and cautioned my team about taking it for granted that I would get the job.

I'll update my cv and look for something else.

Thank you again.

xapprenticex

teribar wrote: »

Thank you so much to everyone who has taken the time to reply. You have all confirmed what I thought, that I have no recourse in this situation.

Despite being the position being referred to for 11 months as 'your job' I don't think I was ever complacent. On the contrary I was very nervous about the interview and cautioned my team about taking it for granted that I would get the job.

I'll update my cv and look for something else.

Thank you again.

Good job, dont let ANYONE at work know you are looking for another job, it will spread. Like i said, stiff upper lip and get a good reference, no burnt bridges. :beer:

demiruss

WibblyGirly wrote: »

I've had this in retail before. I've left retail completely as I hated always being given more work than my job descriptions, not getting the promotions (I'm not fantastic at force-selling customers clothes they aren't interested in) but then having to train the new supervisors. 2 of who couldn't understand why I didn't get the job when I'd been there 5 years and knew the place inside out. I think companies do this purposely so they have staff trained really well but then keep them from progressing so they don't have to pay them more.
I'd start looking for a new job. I never took out my frustrations on the new supervisors, I always helped because I am a nice person and it was a tough company (and an awful manager) to work for. So I'd just be pleasant to the newcomer while planning your escape!

I've had the same. Go easy on yourself OP and don't let them know you're bothered, especially not the new person. I think you're doing the only thing by getting out of there ASAP and do apply for jobs that are the position you wanted. Good luck! It hurts.

I was carrot-dangled in retail. They kept me on a rubbish contract to keep me doing lots of overtime and fast-tracked people without proper training and awful customer service skills (the ones who walked around the store with their bum crack on display and were unhygienic with food). I wish I'd realised what was going on sooner, but some managers won't promote those who can do several jobs at a lower pay grade - you have to know your worth, it's all about working smart not specifically hard. It would be interesting to know if they planned on having the OP mentor/shadow this new employee.