PCN - parking in my own space

KeithP

This is the first sentence in post #2 of the NEWBIES FAQ sticky/pinned thread:

Firstly, if you have no claim yet, you may wish to check how likely it is that 'your' PPC might try a small claim. You can check for yourself by Googling 'BMPA Insight' and the name of any parking firm...court numbers and advice tailored to each company.

The_Deep

nasescoba1985 wrote: »

Ok Keith, you think they will progress it to court though ? What!!!8217;s the likelihood of these parking companies making a claim. ?

Very high

http://www.bmpa.eu/companydata/UK_Car_Park_Management.html

if it gets to court, I see no reason why you should not win, as long as you behave yourself. Do not try to teach the judge the law, do not let your sense of injustice get the better if you, do not call him mate.

If you are unfamiliar with the SCC, it is very informal, not a bit like shouty Queen Rinder, no robes, no flags, no dock, just people sitting round a table, no big eal at all.
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nasescoba1985

@ the deep, ok so its almost like a glorified meeting in a way? I feel I have enough evidence to back up my argument and I have printed out cases that pretty much mirror mine where the defendant won the case on the lease terms alone.


Obviously I have admitted I was the driver and have admitted to displaying a permit prior to the charge, so I!!!8217;m hoping this doesn!!!8217;t go against me. I!!!8217;ll just use the whole I was forced into this appointment and had no choice but to display the permit.


My lease gives me rights as owner to use my allocated space and nothing in my lease says the management company can alter the lease or change any thing to the common parts , I.E implementing a parking company. I see no reason why they should get me stumped on the lease. I have a property information form which is signed by the management company and ticked a box to say that the parking has no restrictions and doesn!!!8217;t have permits. This also should go in my favour. I don!!!8217;t want to feel to over confident, but surely with my evidence I can!!!8217;t lose this ?

nasescoba1985

Also why is it so !!!8220;high!!!8221; it going to court and them making a claim , when that website says 4.4 mil parking tickets were issued in 2017, but only 40,000 went to court. This is extremely low, so surely my case is extremely unlikely to go to court

The_Deep

... so surely my case is extremely unlikely to go to court


Do you actually bother to read our advice. They have already taken 206 people to court this year, as opposed to 312 for the whole of 2017.

Did you not read post number 163?

nasescoba1985

OK, why is that then ? Are they more confident they can win these court battles now ? It just seems a bit odd that a sharp increase of claims and court battles have been made this year.

pappa_golf

no the end is coming , all the parking cos knew about the parlimentary debate and what is GOING to happen soon

BW and DRP are on overtime sending out claims

because they will soon be shut down

although that mob have had 200 cases , how many have they won?

Fruitcake

Some companies never, or hardly ever do court. Presumably their business model is such that they make an obscene profit without needing to abuse the court system.
Some companies base their business model on frightening people with court, and some make more money through the courts than other methods.

Some use robo-claims solicitors who just churn out more and more claims. It may be that they have found a system that works and have just upped the speed of the production line.

I don't think there is any particular reason other than momentum has been gained by the scammers, and having found a way to make money, they try to find ways of increasing their nasty business.
Perhaps they have found a car park or area that is more productive than others, or have hit on an efficient method of squeezing more ill gotten gains from the motoring public.
We are now seeing claims going back five and six years, some even before the POFA was introduced.

It's all a scam and I don't really think there is any statistical method of calculating the increase in court claims. The people who do this are nasty, and are getting nastier.
After the second reading of the parking bill I suspect we will see a feeding frenzy of PCNs and court cases until the brakes are eventually applied. Personally I can't see the scam ever coming to a complete stop unless access to the DVLA database is denied to all PPCs.

nasescoba1985

Ok guys thanks. Obviously seeing that sharp increase does worry me a bit, but how many have they actually won? ( as pappa pointed out ) ... I will continue with my stance and gather my evidence together so I!!!8217;m prepared

KeithP

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