Houses are affordable!

GreatApe

ukcarper wrote: »

Because it’s not only the wealthy that have to pay for goods and services, if you maid minimum wage in London £50k a year what effect do you think that would have.

London is and would just get more productive

So for instance going back to postmen, if sending letters to a London address cost twice as much businesses would just send less junk mail and have their customers sign up for paperless billing thus requiring fewer postmen

Likewise if say the minimum wage was a lot higher in London then there would be more incentives to use more software or buy more services from outside of London or buy more equipment. For instance I use a broker in London I could just as easily use one in middlesboroguh via the phone. Even for solicitors I have used some a hundred miles away.

Overall you simply do not need to do command and control of all industries to make sure London economy runs. It doesn't need your help if anything your help is likely to sub optimal and would make matters worse not better

ukcarper

GreatApe wrote: »

Yes I am aware you are quite a reasonable poster perhaps from being older you have experienced different stripes of governments which gives you more of an understanding of reality than the youngsters that talk the talk with no experience under their hats (or worse yet false data information and propaganda)



We already do you can live a good decent life on benefits in this country.
I do know a good number of people on benefits about half live perfectly good lives the other half live in hell but the reason is not lack of even more money it is almost always some form of addiction gambling alcohol violence etc. These people need more help I would be pro helping them in any way that is possible but it wont be an extra twenty a week that solves their ills.



When you say that I bet 99/100 readers will think government benefits money poor people etc

The truth is unfairness comes across the board. It comes from the generic differences we are born with and the parenting we receive. Plenty of well off people from well off families also end up in the gutter. There should be help to stop people falling down in the first place for poor and well off people. I am not sure what can be done but if I had a magic bottle with one wish left it would be for some cure for addictions rather than for the government to give the poor £2000 / £3000 / £4000 etc more. The former would do much more good than the latter

I think that Londons population is outstripping it, considering its physical size and the age of most properties. One of the few things I agree with you on is that the only way to get enough property is to increase density, but I can’t see the leafy suburbs being demolished and replaced by height density housing.

ukcarper

GreatApe wrote: »

London is and would just get more productive

So for instance going back to postmen, if sending letters to a London address cost twice as much businesses would just send less junk mail and have their customers sign up for paperless billing thus requiring fewer postmen

Likewise if say the minimum wage was a lot higher in London then there would be more incentives to use more software or buy more services from outside of London or buy more equipment. For instance I use a broker in London I could just as easily use one in middlesboroguh via the phone. Even for solicitors I have used some a hundred miles away.

Overall you simply do not need to do command and control of all industries to make sure London economy runs. It doesn't need your help if anything your help is likely to sub optimal and would make matters worse not better

I think much of that is true and is already happening but certain jobs need a physical presents.

GreatApe

ukcarper wrote: »

I think that Londons population is outstripping it, considering its physical size and the age of most properties. One of the few things I agree with you on is that the only way to get enough property is to increase density, but I can’t see the leafy suburbs being demolished and replaced by height density housing.

Even if they could it is not a cheap or quick solution to buy existing stock knock down and rebuild more dense

One thing they should be doing is building much more dense in social redevelopments. Often they knock 500 down and only replace with ~1000 why not knock 500 down and replace with 2500+ yes it will mean tower blocks or dense mansion blocks but what other choice is there. Get rid of the need for car spaces/places for zone 2 developments and that way they could build more dense

economic

ukcarper wrote: »

I think much of that is true and is already happening but certain jobs need a physical presents.

why can't those requiring a physical presence in knightsbridge who cant afford to buy in knightbridge just commute from a rented apartment in west kensington?

Balabalabala_and_Volare

ukcarper wrote: »

Because it’s not only the wealthy that have to pay for goods and services, if you maid minimum wage in London £50k a year what effect do you think that would have.

I don't want a minimum wage. I want a market wage, unsubsidised by the labours of the poor. Don't you?.

ukcarper

GreatApe wrote: »

Even if they could it is not a cheap or quick solution to buy existing stock knock down and rebuild more dense

One thing they should be doing is building much more dense in social redevelopments. Often they knock 500 down and only replace with ~1000 why not knock 500 down and replace with 2500+ yes it will mean tower blocks or dense mansion blocks but what other choice is there. Get rid of the need for car spaces/places for zone 2 developments and that way they could build more dense

I really don’t see things changing anytime soon, nobody has the will to do what is necessary as there are no easy solutions. Most of the ideas put forward from the right or left would not work.

ukcarper

Balabalabala_and_Volare wrote: »

I don't want a minimum wage. I want a market wage, unsubsidised by the labours of the poor. Don't you?.

In an ideal world I would like to see people earn enough to have a reasonable living in good accomadation. But I’ve been around long enough to know that has never been the case and most likely never will be.

Balabalabala_and_Volare

ukcarper wrote: »

Because it’s not only the wealthy that have to pay for goods and services, if you maid minimum wage in London £50k a year what effect do you think that would have.

You know what? Maybe you can't afford to live in London, the most expensive city in Europe, if you earn minimum wage. Is that such a shock?

The real shame is that part of the reason you can't is because rents are inflated by housing benefit paid to those who won't work in the most economically active section of the country.

ukcarper

Balabalabala_and_Volare wrote: »

You know what? Maybe you can't afford to live in London, the most expensive city in Europe, if you earn minimum wage. Is that such a shock?

The real shame is that part of the reason you can't is because rents are inflated by housing benefit paid to those who won't work in the most economically active section of the country.

Part but not all.

Having worked in London all my life I can tell you I certainly wouldn’t want to live there now.