A few thoughts about this forum

Casey1709

In your previous thread you didn't state or ask for "comfort" but you did get lots of practical and intelligent advice. Have you taken it?

This thread reads like a grievance but is ill informed (e.g. as noted above Martin Lewis no longer owns the site), what are you hoping to achieve now rather than another poor me moan?

sangie595

It's a little perverse, is it not? The OP demands that their employer sack someone because they aren't willing to accept that someone who is an alleged bully might change. They are far too distraught to be able to ever work with them. Then pops back a few weeks later to bully others. Without cause.

lili2008. This forum does not give legal advice and does not purport to. And the fact that you do not get told what you want to hear is not because it is management orientated (although the law is, yes!) but because what people want is not the determining factor. If people want only specific advice that agrees with them, don't post, or let us know what answers you want so that we don't waste time giving you the correct ones. And actually, people here not only work, but they work hard AND find time to advise others.

You are acting like a petulant school child, whingeing about what you can't have. You were welcome to join a union at any time. You were welcome to pay for legal advice. But what you wanted was free advice that agrees with you. That isn't going to happen.

And I repeat, when an employer comes to a disciplinary decision, you may not like that decision, but it is not your call. The person you allege bullied you was disciplined and has a right to be allowed the opportunity to change. That is what the disciplinary process is about. It is not about revenge.

agrinnall

lili2008 wrote: »

No. The point I am making is that people come to these forums thinking Martin Lewis, there will be some good advice there. What they actually find is a small clique of people who pounce on every thread, and the legal advice they give is of limited knowledge, management-centred and in many cases, just plain misleading. The way this forum works, nobody should ever challenge anything.

If you want legal advice, find a solicitor and pay for it. You obviously don't like what you've been told on here (at no cost) so I fail to see why you continue to use the forum.

getmore4less

lili2008 wrote: »

I came here a few months ago in a distraught state, seeking intelligent advice and comfort.

What I got was a 'management is always right'mentality, by a little clique who seem to crouch here, leaping on every thread and taking pleasure in that mindset.

So, a few things. Are there no 'real' board guides here?

Also, in my journey towards having employment law implemented, there are so many grey areas that you won't hear about on this board. There are too many people with too much time on their hands here to tell you off. Ignore them, go elsewhere for advice and if there are any real board guides on this forum, put this post as a sticky at the top.

Assuming this is the Oct thread about your manager, why not share what particular bit of employment law you are talking about that was not covered by that thread.

edit:

Reading the Oct thread the summary seems to be you were concerned that even though the grievance was upheld nothing would change and was their anything they could do.

Opinion was not a lot, give them a chance, raise further grievance if behaviour continues.

Suggesting there was something that could be done, much more beneficial to share how you/they are progressing the issue.

TELLIT01

On any forum you will get opinion. Much of it may be based on knowledge of the subject area but there will also be a fair percentage of people blowing smoke and who have their own agenda. I would say the second group is a minority of the membership, but they have high visibility (to put it politely).
To the best of my knowledge nobody comes here to proved legal guidance, and anybody coming to a forum seeking it is somewhat misguided.
You do see a lot of people coming here apparently for advice and then taking the hump when the responses aren't what they want. My advice - if you don't want the answer, don't ask the question. As for 'the management is always right mentality' we must be accessing different boards!

LilElvis

I've deleted my post if you would like to edit yours to remove the quote.

Gavin83

Sigh.

I remember your previous topic. Sure you had a handful of unhelpful comments but you can’t really prevent that on a public forum. On the most part you received mostly good advice, the fact of the matter was there was little you could do about it. If you wanted comfort (which you didn’t specify) then you shouldn’t have asked specific questions and instead made your post more of a rant, although this isn’t the folder for it.

However you didn’t actually want comfort. You wanted people to agree with you and tell you how you could have the manager removed from the company. When repeated people told you that you basically have no power in this situation you argued back.

Now you post another topic, a month later to once again complain about how you didn’t get the replies you wanted. Grow up. If it upsets you that much leave the forum. I’m sure there are plenty of other forums where you can sit there eating ice cream while talking about your feelings. There are two massive issues that wind me up here, one is people deleting their initial posts and the other is people kicking off when they don’t get the replies they want. However even then most know when to give up and don’t post yet another topic ranting away.

I am genuinely sympathetic to your work situation, it’s horrible having work colleagues you don’t get on with, even worse when they’re your manager. However the fact is you have little power in this, you can’t force the company to do anything so if they wish to do little to discipline the manager that’s their choice. Ultimately if you don’t like it leave. You also didn’t really post any details of what constituted bullying, clearly management didn’t view it as seriously as you.

We get a lot of people here who always feel they’re in the right even when they’re not, you get used to it.

FBaby

and the legal advice they give is of limited knowledge, management-centred and in many cases, just plain misleading

I have found find this at all, so it's clearly a matter of interpretation.

What I do regularly find is as already cited, people confusing fairness with legality. I've been there too, assuming that because something was unfair, I was entitled to have it remedied, to learn the hard way that unfairness doesn't come into it, procedures do.

Business do not care about individuals even if some of the individuals that make up the company do. Companies as identities only care about delivering services within budgets (public sector) or making a profit (private). They have to follow the laws that protect individuals, but otherwise are entitled to pretty much anything to reach their vision.

Saying that, everyone has one right and that is to give notice and move on to another job. Again, this might be unfair, but it is a right.

bugslet

lili2008 wrote: »

No. The point I am making is that people come to these forums thinking Martin Lewis, there will be some good advice there. What they actually find is a small clique of people who pounce on every thread, and the legal advice they give is of limited knowledge, management-centred and in many cases, just plain misleading. The way this forum works, nobody should ever challenge anything.
There are clearly many regular posters on this forum who don't have jobs. The fact is that HR and Employment law moves on, and this forum does nothing but discourage anyone who comes here. Where is the emotional intelligence?

Given that at least two of the main responders on this board are union people, I find it difficult to imagine that they are biased towards management.

As a director, I don't offer any legal opinion, just opinion if I think it's at all relevant. If you feel like trawling through my old posts, you'll find I've called some management decisions shocking if I believe them to be.

You get the benefit of some knowledgeable people, delivered in an impartial manner. If you can take your emotion out of it, you might realise how lucky you are to get that advice.

Cazzaswfc

I can remember the original thread, I didn't comment on it at the time.

Seems to me that you just wanted everyone to agree with your opinion and that your senior management should bow down to what outcome you and your colleagues wanted.

Unfortunately it doesn't work like that, your issues were upheld in your teams favour, however its up to your senior managers to decide on a course of action for your line manager, that can include certain objectives and changes to be made, possible warnings and information that should be confidential ,even if your boss was in the wrong he\she is entitled for all matters to remain private. Your team should only be told what senior managers feel you need to know.

Its not about anyone been "for" the management, its about what's legally & morally correct for all parties and pontetially what's correct for the business