Highgate Village Hayes Parking Notice

neovins25

yes exactly..to be very honest..it was 30seconds and i had to re-confirm the road/route and entrance as it was leading to a construction site ahead and all these many boards caused a panic if there is any danger in entering that place.

Thanks for your continued response. Your responses strengthen me and I will rather face the court and can explain this as this is not acceptable at all. I have paid parking fines earlier where i have felt reasonable.

Wondering if people who got pcn went all way to court on each case or will the pcm drop their chase after sending threatening letters/debt recovery letters? where and when does it end?

Umkomaas

Why write all that preamble which will have absolutely no impact.

our son had to urgently pass urine

Not to put too fine a point on it, but that is exactly what you are doing, but into the wind. The appeal will be rejected. The back-to-basics forum template is perfectly adequate.

Wondering if people who got pcn went all way to court on each case or will the pcm drop their chase after sending threatening letters/debt recovery letters? where and when does it end?

No PPC can take every case to court. Over the past 3 years PCM have issued over 150,000 tickets. Our estimate would be that ~60% will have been paid (~60,000 unpaid). They have issued proceedings in just under 500 cases. That’s a smaller than 1% chance of any unpaid ticket being pursued via the courts.

Beyond your initial appeal, do not take up the offer of an IAS second stage appeal (see the NEWBIES FAQ sticky, post #3)

KeithP

You confirmed in post #4 that you had read the NEWBIES thread.

Why do you not want to just send the template that has already been composed for you?

A waste of effort writing all that.

Good luck.

neovins25

alright..i thought i can add a little bit to explain my circumstances. but will now do as per the recommended procedure. thanks @keith @umkomaas

neovins25

i got a rapid response from pcm. next day i got letter saying they have carefully considered my appeal and have rejected. (i didnt appeal actually but sent the format through their online form).

They have attached a photograph enlarged from the earlier one showing one passenger getting down while the driver is inside and stopped by a double yellow line before the car entered into parking lot of that private building. as i said whole thing happened within 30secs.
here is their letter.

******************************************Response from PCM. What next?************************
Thank you for your correspondence regarding the above PCN. I have considered your case carefully and have decided to reject your appeal on the following grounds:
You parked in a manner whereby you agreed to pay a charge. The parking attendant recorded that the vehicle was parked outside of a marked bay.
PCM are contracted to manage the parking within this area and the PCN has been issued in accordance with this parking management scheme. The signage in the area is clear and informs motorists of the restrictions the parking is managed under and that enforcement action will be taken for parking in breach of the restriction.

The restrictions require that a vehicle is parked wholly within the confines of a marked bay, you did not. The photographic evidence demonstrates the driver was dropping off passengers, this is not the place to do so. Signage clearly states drop off and collections are not permitted outside of the marked bays and if you were unable to park inside a bay then alternative unrestricted parking should have been found.
PCM are under no obligation to provide you with the land owners details.

A contract is formed when a driver parks in this area. As such, y parking, the driver's consideration is given and therefore both parties agree to these terms. An enforceable contract is formed and the signage is clearly outlining the contractual obligations you enter by parking. you parked in a manner whereby you agreed to pay a charge, the legal basis of this being a contractual relationship.
Photographic evidence is available to you online.
they have given 14more days (2 days before) and asking for 60£ if paid within this period. if not its 100 and then if they instruct debt recovery team, it is 160£.
******************************************Response from PCM. What next?************************

Above is the response from PCM and they are not caring to consider anything.
So What Next? Pls advise.
Should i respond to them any further now or just wait for debt recovery letters or attendants. When will they take this to court action?
I am keen to go to court to explain my situation but not sure if it will happen at all.
TA

neovins25

any recent victims who can share their thoughts? i have read the newbies thread but wondering if there is any lively discussion that can happen now.

******************************************Response from PCM. What next?************************

neovins25 wrote: »

i got a rapid response from pcm. next day i got letter saying they have carefully considered my appeal and have rejected. (i didnt appeal actually but sent the format through their online form).


They have attached a photograph enlarged from the earlier one showing one passenger getting down while the driver is inside and stopped by a double yellow line before the car entered into parking lot of that private building. as i said whole thing happened within 30secs.
here is their letter.

******************************************Response from PCM. What next?************************
Thank you for your correspondence regarding the above PCN. I have considered your case carefully and have decided to reject your appeal on the following grounds:
You parked in a manner whereby you agreed to pay a charge. The parking attendant recorded that the vehicle was parked outside of a marked bay.
PCM are contracted to manage the parking within this area and the PCN has been issued in accordance with this parking management scheme. The signage in the area is clear and informs motorists of the restrictions the parking is managed under and that enforcement action will be taken for parking in breach of the restriction.

The restrictions require that a vehicle is parked wholly within the confines of a marked bay, you did not. The photographic evidence demonstrates the driver was dropping off passengers, this is not the place to do so. Signage clearly states drop off and collections are not permitted outside of the marked bays and if you were unable to park inside a bay then alternative unrestricted parking should have been found.
PCM are under no obligation to provide you with the land owners details.

A contract is formed when a driver parks in this area. As such, y parking, the driver's consideration is given and therefore both parties agree to these terms. An enforceable contract is formed and the signage is clearly outlining the contractual obligations you enter by parking. you parked in a manner whereby you agreed to pay a charge, the legal basis of this being a contractual relationship.
Photographic evidence is available to you online.
they have given 14more days (2 days before) and asking for 60£ if paid within this period. if not its 100 and then if they instruct debt recovery team, it is 160£.
******************************************Response from PCM. What next?************************

Above is the response from PCM and they are not caring to consider anything.
So What Next? Pls advise.
Should i respond to them any further now or just wait for debt recovery letters or attendants. When will they take this to court action?
I am keen to go to court to explain my situation but not sure if it will happen at all.
TA

nosferatu1001

Have you read the newbies thread? You find out if this is IPC or BPA AOS member, and you then see what you are to do next. EVERYTHING is included there.

Umkomaas

Above is the response from PCM and they are not caring to consider anything.
So What Next? Pls advise.

There’s no ‘next step’ to getting this immediately cancelled (other than a complaint to the landowner) as is explained in the NEWBIES FAQ sticky for an IPC AOS company.

Should i respond to them any further now

Respond with what? And what are you hoping to achieve?

or just wait for debt recovery letters or attendants.

Debt recovery letters are likely the next stage.

By ‘attendants’, did you mean ‘attendance’, as in ‘send the boys round’? Can’t happen, won’t happen.

I am keen to go to court to explain my situation but not sure if it will happen at all.

Be careful what you wish for!

If PCM do sue, you will need to do a significant amount of research, drafting of a defence and Witness Statement, gathering of evidence, putting it all together and you having a full command of it all in presenting it to a judge, with a strong probability of PCM instructing an adversarial lawyer to represent them. It’s not a case of rocking up and ‘explaining your situation’ to a kindly judge only sympathetic to your plight.

Over the past couple of years PCM have become quite court-frisky, so you may get your wish whether you now want it or not.

http://www.bmpa.eu/companydata/Parking_Control_Management_UK.html