EDF just emailed to confirm appointment to fit smart meter but I never made it

House_Martin

littlerock wrote: »

EDF just emailed me to confirm an appointment to fit smart meter in two days time but I never made any appointment. Electric meter is in cellar with no phone signal so I already told them I do not want a smart meter at this stage as it will not work. Is it compulsory to have one yet?

It will work, how do you know it won t work ? my smart meter is in the cellar and works fine as does hundreds of thousands of others in cellars.I ve been reading smart meters in cellars for a decade now with British Gas
Personally I would like the suppliers and OFGEM to stop mucking about listening to excuses why they do not want a smart meter and just start billing them extra monthly costs. They will have to do that in the end with the UK heaving with naysayers, bill them and make them pay ! £2 a week extra should do it . Thats fair
Latest Landis and Gyr smart electric meters are SMETS2 compliant and will work fine once the DCC gets its act together in 5 years probably, meantime start accepting smart meters and stop making extra costs for the fitting teams and for us all in the end

MothballsWallet

Hengus wrote: »

https://www.smartdcc.co.uk/about-dcc/future-service-development/enrolment-and-adoption/

https://www.ofgem.gov.uk/system/files/docs/2017/06/2017.06_final_open_letter_-_smart_meter_rollout_progress_and_plans_.pdf

Edit:

If you decide to plough your way through the DCC document, you will see that they are hoping to achieve an Initial Operating Capability for SMETS 1 meters by 1 Oct 18 with a Full Operating Capability in 2019.. If past progress is anything to go by, this date will slip.

The real dates will be more like:

Hoping to achieve: 31st December 2190
Full capability: 31st December 2800



Ofgem - making lobotomies look like a great idea...

MothballsWallet

House_Martin wrote: »

It will work, how do you know it won t work ? my smart meter is in the cellar and works fine as does hundreds of thousands of others in cellars.I ve been reading smart meters in cellars for a decade now with British Gas
Personally I would like the suppliers and OFGEM to stop mucking about listening to excuses why they do not want a smart meter and just start billing them extra monthly costs. They will have to do that in the end with the UK heaving with naysayers, bill them and make them pay ! £2 a week extra should do it . Thats fair
Latest Landis and Gyr smart electric meters are SMETS2 compliant and will work fine once the DCC gets its act together in 5 years probably, meantime start accepting smart meters and stop making extra costs for the fitting teams and for us all in the end

Why should people have to wait 5 years for a company appointed by the UK government and industry to get their dammed act together before taking a SMART meter?

This whole programme has been so badly mismanaged that words fail me.

Btw, forcing SMART meters on people under threat of cutting off their supply is a breach of UN law.

House_Martin

MothballsWallet wrote: »

Why should people have to wait 5 years for a company appointed by the UK government and industry to get their dammed act together before taking a SMART meter?

This whole programme has been so badly mismanaged that words fail me.

Btw, forcing SMART meters on people under threat of cutting off their supply is a breach of UN law.

Who said anything about cutting supplies off !.. Virtually no one ever gets cut off nowadays anyway, t this is easy touch UK where energy thieves operate with the absolute knowledge that no one will be cutting anyone off even if they get caught thieving energy three times !
Others abroad will charge refusers of smart meters (Florida and California ) an extra levy ($100 a year )because its adding to their costs messing about with old dumb meters. They have a right to pass the extra costs onto occupiers should be made to accept the meters and wait until the DCC gets its act together, which I reckon is 5 years. Then the smarts will work with all , we hope
The smart electric meter they want to fit now is SMETS2 compliant so using that as a feeble excuse just isn t good enough.

MothballsWallet

House_Martin wrote: »

Who said anything about cutting supplies off !.. Virtually no one ever gets cut off nowadays anyway, t this is easy touch UK where energy thieves operate with the absolute knowledge that no one will be cutting anyone off even if they get caught thieving energy three times !
Others abroad will charge refusers of smart meters (Florida and California ) an extra levy ($100 a year )because its adding to their costs messing about with old dumb meters. They have a right to pass the extra costs on.Occupiers should be made to accept the meters and wait until the DCC gets its act together, which I reckon is 5 years. Then the smarts will work with all , we hope
The smart electric meter they want to fit now is SMETS2 compliant so using that as a feeble excuse just isn t good enough.

You did! You frequently say that SMART meters should be compulsory and anyone who refuses one gets their supply cut off (or did you mean they get cut off until they accept a SMART meter?).

badmemory

House_Martin wrote: »

The smart electric meter they want to fit now is SMETS2 compliant so using that as a feeble excuse just isn t good enough.

Is this actually true or is it like the lying adverts, perfectly "acceptable" lies.

System

MothballsWallet wrote: »

Why should people have to wait 5 years for a company appointed by the UK government and industry to get their dammed act together before taking a SMART meter?

This whole programme has been so badly mismanaged that words fail me.

Btw, forcing SMART meters on people under threat of cutting off their supply is a breach of UN law.

The Data Communications Company is already up and running and has been for over 12 months. They are already enrolling SMETS2 meters on a trial basis and will start enrolling SMETS1 meters next year (all being well). SMETS 2 meters work with the DCC not individual suppliers.

https://www.smartdcc.co.uk/media/433052/dcc_annual_report_and_regulatory_accounts_31_march_2017.pdf

zeupater

House_Martin wrote: »

It will work, how do you know it won t work ? my smart meter is in the cellar and works fine as does hundreds of thousands of others in cellars.I ve been reading smart meters in cellars for a decade now with British Gas
Personally I would like the suppliers and OFGEM to stop mucking about listening to excuses why they do not want a smart meter and just start billing them extra monthly costs. They will have to do that in the end with the UK heaving with naysayers, bill them and make them pay ! £2 a week extra should do it . Thats fair
Latest Landis and Gyr smart electric meters are SMETS2 compliant and will work fine once the DCC gets its act together in 5 years probably, meantime start accepting smart meters and stop making extra costs for the fitting teams and for us all in the end

Hi

Maybe you've hit the nail on the head ... the question is why have you "been reading smart meters in cellars for a decade now with British Gas" when in order for the entire smart-meter project to work they are supposed to have bi-directional communication with the supply industry and therefore have no need to be read, either by the meter reader or the consumer ...

Are you saying that a smart-meter in a cellar acts as a dumb-meter and need to be read manually because of communications issues ?

We don't have a cellar, but for information, mobile communications where we are are abysmal & have always been, so unless the DCC intends to uprate coverage fully independently of network operators then there's absolutely no advantage to be gained from installing a smart-meter here ... yet, if one is installed the box will be ticked and the industry can add almost £500 profit to their bottom line ...

I counter your position regarding suppliers & Ofgem adding £2/week to customer bills for not having a smart-meter with a simple conclusion ... they'll be charging £1/week for having them, so are you talking about netting off the two figures to £1? .. if so, for what reason ... the £500/household cost is supposedly to cover additional costs, but that's really questionable when logic and alternative roll-out strategies are considered ... maybe we should have a alternative position, those submitting monthly readings on-line should be paid a cash sum of £8 for each reading if they also correctly calculate the value of their usage ... enforced industry investment goes away, meter reader costs could be reduced to the same extent, everyone takes more notice of their usage because they've calculated the cost for themselves and the only losers are the energy suppliers' shareholders ...

HTH
Z

System

zeupater wrote: »

Hi


We don't have a cellar, but for information, mobile communications where we are are abysmal & have always been, so unless the DCC intends to uprate coverage fully independently of network operators then there's absolutely no advantage to be gained from installing a smart-meter here ... yet, if one is installed the box will be ticked and the industry can add almost £500 profit to their bottom line ...

HTH
Z

In theory, with SMETS2, it shouldn't be an issue as no individual meter is dependent on a mobile signal given that all the deployed meters will form part of a Wide Area Network. Any' failed' transmissions should cascade across the network until a meter in the network is found that has a mobile signal to the DCC. I say, in theory, as I am not sure how this works for an isolated cottage in the back and beyond. That said, it has been assumed that a proportion of properties will never be suitable for smart metering.