Brexit, the economy and house prices part 5

iro

On reflection, I probably agree with you (and abandoning party tribalism for a moment), it is tragedy that a once great Party has come to this.

Caroline Flint MP might save them though.

System

vivatifosi wrote: »

What a depressing poll, shows what a terrible state British politics is in.

We're turning into the USA. Once people start treating political parties like sports teams we may as well abandon the system.

kabayiri

vivatifosi wrote: »

iro wrote: »

What a depressing poll, shows what a terrible state British politics is in.

Labour now the preserve of the chattering classes has lost grass root support of the working class. People prepared to vote Tory even though they are all screwed up and lacking unity and no effective third party to act as an alternative.

Whether you are a remainer or leaver, that's pretty depressing.

Labour know they can't preach this open for all migration mantra, and at the same time appear to represent their traditional heartlands.

In the past, Tony B and Gordon managed to bribe voters fairly successfully. A lot of PS jobs were shifted to the likes of the NE.

Well, the money pot has run out now. It never was sustainable.

I personally am convinced we will see more polarity in our politics. Theresa May is a busted flush.

kabayiri

iro wrote: »

On reflection, I probably agree with you (and abandoning party tribalism for a moment), it is tragedy that a once great Party has come to this.

Caroline Flint MP might save them though.

Anybody who has met one of Labour's spokes people, like Rebecca Long-Bailey, must seriously question their judgement.

She wouldn't defend her position, but reverted to platitudes and empty gestures.

You end up feeling sorry for her.

iro

kabayiri wrote: »

vivatifosi wrote: »

Labour know they can't preach this open for all migration mantra, and at the same time appear to represent their traditional heartlands.

In the past, Tony B and Gordon managed to bribe voters fairly successfully. A lot of PS jobs were shifted to the likes of the NE.

Well, the money pot has run out now. It never was sustainable.

I personally am convinced we will see more polarity in our politics. Theresa May is a busted flush.

Labour know they can't preach this open for all migration mantra, and at the same time appear to represent their traditional heartlands.


The key issue, both views cannot be reconciled.

If they chose the Metropolitan elite I fear for my country.

kabayiri

iro wrote: »

kabayiri wrote: »

Labour know they can't preach this open for all migration mantra, and at the same time appear to represent their traditional heartlands.


The key issue, both views cannot be reconciled.

If they chose the Metropolitan elite I fear for my country.

Yeah, they need to be honest about their priorities.

Do you go with the lobbying power; the financiers; the London centric money men.

Or do you go with the places where there are mass votes.

Soros is now telling the EU how to spend money in Africa. Fancy that, someone who made maybe as much as $35 BILLION from our ERM troubles, is advising the EU to spend similar amounts in Africa.

I wish we had a comedy sequel : "Yes EU minister".

vivatifosi

I know we disagree on Brexit iro. I voted remain after all. I did so not out of any great love for the EU, or because of Project Fear. Rather I thought that we should give the limited Cameron concessions a go and ride the wave of change that is happening within the EU to affect change.

However another reason I voted remain is that I totally doubted the ability of politicians of either party to deliver Brexit effectively. Not because Brexit is impossible as an objective, but because of the poor quality of our parliamentarians.

Unfortunately this latter point is holding true.

kabayiri

I'll be honest.

I voted Leave because I'm a bit of an anarchist at heart. I really didn't buy into any of this £350m on a bus nonsense...but of course it suckered a lot of people in.

Brexit could be the start of a lot of change, and with change comes opportunity to make money.

Herzlos

There's certainly a lot of money to be made but I think most of it will be coming out of the pockets of the poorest in the country.

Herzlos

Admittedly I can't get think how you'd profit from brexit yet; beyond buying stuff up cheap before a recovery or asset stripping, or to reduce workers conditions and goods quality to improve profit. Both of those require capital.

I might be able to take advantage of someone needing to downsize house, but only because Ill8loose out less than they will.