Brexit, the economy and house prices part 5

Rinoa

Remember UBS, famous for predicting a fall in the ftse to 4900 and instant economic armagedon if we voted leave?

Well, they've been at it again. This time on the World Cup by employing 18 analysts who ran 10,000 computer simulations on the tournament to find the likely winner.

Yes, they predicted Germany would win.

Those experts, dontcha just love 'em. :rotfl:

gfplux

Lornapink wrote: »

Thousands more Europeans chose to come make a life here each month than leave. They know Britain doesn't have the appalling mass migrant rough sleeping camps all the way along roads and in parks as seen in France, that there would be uproar if we had this scale of abandonment. They know Britain has nothing like the hostile asylum environment that Denmark and others now have.
They know Britain is inherently fair compared to most. Have you been to Italy lately? I have, the way immigrants are treated is something from another world compared to good old bend over backwards Blighty.


France and others have a hostile environment towards Islam such as banning face coverings.

Germany, Holland and others saw far more pungent narratives in their General Elections, indeed Germany, Austria, Czech Rep', Hungary Poland and others have actual far-right politicians in power now.


Britain is seen as a beacon of justice hence why people risk life n limb trying to escape France to come here.
You have a very skewed insular idea as to how we're seen compared to European nations.

Again and again Brexiters mix EU free movement with illegal migrants entering the porous British borders.
Yes to Brexiters they are all foreigners.

buglawton

gfplux wrote: »

Again and again Brexiters mix EU free movement with illegal migrants entering the porous British borders.
Yes to Brexiters they are all foreigners.

Ah but Lorna's 1st 2 paragraphs nicely explained a reason why EU migrants continue to come here with a year on year net increase.

gfplux

Dont ask what your country can do for you, what can you do for your country.

British Flowers is a subject which was often mentioned in these threads probably in 2017 by me.
A great opportunity but needs a bit of pull if the industry pushes. So Now is the time to take up the burden and do something.

Only 12% of flowers sold in Britain are British. British Flowers week was w/c 18th June (who knew?) Farming Today on the BBC had a weeks programming about British Flowers and they mentioned positve moves by the Co-op and Aldi to help British growers. They ended the week at the Blenheim Palace Flower Show (who had heard of it?) You can listen on catch up.

It does not matter if you are a Remainer or a Brexiter, if you live in the UK when you are buying cut flowers seek out the British product which you may find better represented in Aldi and the Co-op, definitely not at the petrol station or so they said.

You can make a difference and give British flower growers a small Brexit dividend, but only if you and yours buy British which will also encourage investment in a product area that has been starved of it.

That is what an opportunity looks like. There are not many in the U.K. at the moment.

Do not let this opportunity wilt in the sun.

Rinoa

gfplux wrote: »

Dont ask what your country can do for you, what can you do for your country.

British Flowers is a subject which was often mentioned in these threads probably in 2017 by me.
A great opportunity but needs a bit of pull if the industry pushes. So Now is the time to take up the burden and do something.

Only 12% of flowers sold in Britain are British. British Flowers week was w/c 18th June (who knew?) Farming Today on the BBC had a weeks programming about British Flowers and they mentioned positve moves by the Co-op and Aldi to help British growers. They ended the week at the Blenheim Palace Flower Show (who had heard of it?) You can listen on catch up.

It does not matter if you are a Remainer or a Brexiter, if you live in the UK when you are buying cut flowers seek out the British product which you may find better represented in Aldi and the Co-op, definitely not at the petrol station or so they said.

You can make a difference and give British flower growers a small Brexit dividend, but only if you and yours buy British which will also encourage investment in a product area that has been starved of it.

That is what an opportunity looks like. There are not many in the U.K. at the moment.

Do not let this opportunity wilt in the sun.

Apparently tariffs on flowers under WTO rules will be around 8%.

If I were a flower grower, maybe I should look forward to a 'no deal' scenario.

silverwhistle

Here we are on page 551 of a thread I've merely glanced at, but it proves how polarised the arguments have become.



We've had enough warnings now from Airbus, the motor manufacturers, the City, Dover port, various co-operative Europe-wide institutions and any number of sectors where people have the expertise about their own sector and how it all works in practice and in detail.

On the other side we have the Peter Pan tendency who say all you have to do is believe and fairies will exist.
My worry is that if the s**t really does hit the fan when we actually leave the latter will just blame everybody else for being negative and not believing enough.



Now, I have no problem with faith based religion until they start to use it as an argument against me or attempt to silence me or my opinions. In the meantime I let them get on with it, but hope they're not under any illusions that my silence is complicity in their stupidity.

Graham_Devon

Arklight wrote: »

As long as they don't have to waddle more than 50 yards in stained track suit bottoms to some form of vendor that will sell them a multipack of sour cream Pringles, I doubt they will really notice.

You lost any argument, or respect you may have head....just there.

Rinoa

ilovehouses wrote: »

As most flowers are imported (by some margin) it should shrink the market quite nicely and put quite a few sellers and importers out of business. Still, as Boris says, F business.

OR, with an 8% price advantage, we're able to expand our flower growing market and produce more flowers ourselves.

A novel concept some will find difficult to comprehend.

Ballard

Rinoa wrote: »

OR, with an 8% price advantage, we're able to expand our flower growing market and produce more flowers ourselves.

A novel concept some will find difficult to comprehend.

Where are we going to grow the flowers, food and rear livestock to make up for the imports and who’s going to pick/farm them?

Apparently this island is already chockablock full of immigrants.

Zero_Gravitas

Rinoa wrote: »

OR, with an 8% price advantage, we're able to expand our flower growing market and produce more flowers ourselves.

A novel concept some will find difficult to comprehend.

A moot point, as by any measure we are going to be worse off after brexit, and under those circumstances it’s discretionary spending on perceived luxuries like flowers that stops first, even if they 8% cheaper...