Thank your lucky stars you don't live in the USA

eddyinfreehold

My magazine just dropped on the doormat on Wednesday and I took the time to go through it this weekend. This article is jaw droppingly unbelievable. This is what is actually legal in some states in the US under State and not Federal Law. Unless of course you have the wallet to challenge it in court. Is this the way we are going in the UK after Brexit? I sincerely hope not....

https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2017/10/09/how-the-elderly-lose-their-rights

PeacefulWaters

Why on Earth would Brexit create such a situation?

bostonerimus

We're talking about Nevada here. There is certainly a worrying tendency for the UK to follow the US in many things, but I don't see how Brexit and Nevada's guardianship laws are linked. However, there are many in the UK that see the market oriented solutions to everything that are popular in the US as potentially good for the UK too.

eddyinfreehold

Brexit would allow the UK to plough its own furrow legally. I'm not saying the above would happen, it could happen. It is difficult to imagine pan European legislation even coming close to discussing the concept, let alone implementing it.

marlot

What on earth has this to do with Brexit?

I suggest you google 'Court of Protection' to see what we do in the UK.

eg. http://www.doughtystreet.co.uk/documents/uploaded-documents/Transparency_Pilot_COP_-_Paper.pdf

hyubh

eddyinfreehold wrote: »

Brexit would allow the UK to plough its own furrow legally.

Surely it already does?

I'm not saying the above would happen, it could happen. It is difficult to imagine pan European legislation even coming close to discussing the concept, let alone implementing it.

Right - it would be (is) a matter for member states.

I have to say, as an argument for why leaving a would-be federal superstate is a bad thing, pointing to something dubious in an actual federal superstate is… unorthodox...

PeacefulWaters

eddyinfreehold wrote: »

Brexit would allow the UK to plough its own furrow legally. I'm not saying the above would happen, it could happen. It is difficult to imagine pan European legislation even coming close to discussing the concept, let alone implementing it.

I'm not familiar with pan-EU power of attorney rules.

But I'd hazard a guess that ours are a damn site stronger than the majority and will remain so.

You've picked a terrible choice of subject to justify reversing Brexit. There are far better ones to go at.

eddyinfreehold

Golly me, people are sensitive about Brexit. I am not saying leaving the EU is a bad thing, or I am a sore loser in this increasingly polarised debate. All I am saying is that by taking back on board our own completely independent legislation, and not having the buffer of EU statute, future law could change for what I see as for the worse as we head for an increasingly market led economy.

Marlot. I am well aware of the Court of Protection. I am a carer for my 20 year old daughter who has neither the physical or mental capacity to look after herself. I worry for her future. Over the last two decades I have experienced a spiralling decline in provision of care for her as services are either constantly changed, cut, rationalised or privatised. Just about everything these days is accountant led, with therapists, clinicians and educators subservient to them. The amount of paperwork required to access any provision is half a full time job for a carer, and often depressing and overwhelming.

There is nothing great about a nation whose law allows people to make a fast buck out of the weaker members of society. My worry is that we are inexorably heading that way. Let me sign off with a couple of quotations. There are many others on a similar vein.

"...the moral test of government is how that government treats those who are in the dawn of life, the children; those who are in the twilight of life, the elderly; those who are in the shadows of life; the sick, the needy and the handicapped. "

Hubert H. Humphrey


"A nation's greatness is measured by how it treats its weakest members."

Mahatma Ghandi

robin61

eddyinfreehold wrote: »

Golly me, people are sensitive about Brexit.

Mahatma Ghandi

If the electorate don't agree with new laws future UK Governments introduce they can vote them out after 5 years. It's the EU Commission who have the power to propose and make EU law and we can't vote to replace them if we are unhappy with their performance.

I struggle to understand why are you more worried about future legislation made by the UK than the EU.

IanManc

eddyinfreehold wrote: »

Golly me, people are sensitive about Brexit.

"People" aren't sensitive about Brexit. "People" are simply pointing out that your attempts to link laws in Nevada with Brexit are completely ridiculous.

martinsurrey

eddyinfreehold wrote: »

Is this the way we are going in the UK after Brexit? I sincerely hope not....

https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2017/10/09/how-the-elderly-lose-their-rights

eddyinfreehold wrote: »

Golly me, people are sensitive about Brexit.

People are sensitive, like you...

You read about the laws that are allowed in part of a federal superstate and link it as a possible outcome of us leaving a looming federal super state...

There are plenty of things to worry about with Brexit, but trying to link every single thing in the world as a potential downside of Brexit just makes a mockery of the real key issues.