Refusing to pay renewal fee

Mark64uk

HampshireH wrote: »

Now Rip Off I completely agree with. Their website is very clear what is expected in terms of fees and how much,

That page has changed since i took the tenancy there's no mention of documentation fees and there wast a list of fees when i signed up we have never had that list of fees sent to us.

https://web.archive.org/web/20151127033935/http://www.livedifrent.com/renting-with-us/

What date did your original tenancy start?

21st Nov 2015

It will cost you a lot more than £150 to move. I get its annoying but seems silly to me to try and prove a point. The landlord and agent won't care at all.

On the other hand it will cost them more than the £110 to get me out.

HampshireH

What does your tenancy say about notices and changes in policy (if at all)

As per my previous post it seems a lot of people have bit stung by this policy change.

Unfortunately they are serving S21's quite regularly by the sound of it - doesn't look like they are too fussed about how much it is costing them. They sound awful.... you may be better off finding somewhere else

DoaM

Mark64uk wrote: »

21st Nov 2105

When did you invent a time machine? Why not use it to resolve this issue before it happens?

Mark64uk

HampshireH wrote: »

What does your tenancy say about notices and changes in policy (if at all)

I found this but i dont know if it should be posted as says email in the first bit then post in the second

When did you invent a time machine? Why not use it to resolve this issue before it happens?

Fixed :beer:

bris

Mark64uk wrote: »

On the other hand it will cost them more than the £110 to get me out.

Why? they can draft the paperwork themselves in 5 minutes from templates they will have to hand.


If you refuse to leave after the correct paperwork tells you to than any cost to evict you will become an expense they can chase you for, so that comes off your deposit right away.


Renewal fees aren't exactly new, they are common practice and until England bans those fees like they have in Scotland you will just face the same problem with the next agency you rent through. It's all well and good playing the martyr but the only ones who will suffer is you, they won't give it a second thought.


The chance of a reference which you might need from them for your next tenancy will also be slim to none.

Mark64uk

If you refuse to leave after the correct paperwork tells you to than any cost to evict you will become an expense they can chase you for, so that comes off your deposit right away.

Looking at their facebook page ill struggle to get my deposit back leaving the house in pristine condition, i wrote that money off as soon as i handed it over.


Renewal fees aren't exactly new, they are common practice and until England bans those fees like they have in Scotland you will just face the same problem with the next agency you rent through. It's all well and good playing the martyr but the only ones who will suffer is you, they won't give it a second thought.

I understand there not new but they are new to this agent they didn't charge me in 2016 and never informed me or anyone else that they were now charging, instead they put the pressure of paying them on you when they email you saying they were happy to renew BUT you must pay the new fee.Ill just have to bring my plans forward with my house purchase and not use an letting agent !

G_M

Mark64uk wrote: »

Fixed :beer:

Seems clear as mud.

Provided you have not acknowledged receipt of the email you could claim non-receiptt and point to the requirement to serve at the property address.

Whether thaat on its on own would invalidate the S21 is up to a judge who might or might not take the reference to email into account.

If you've acknowledged receipt, then it's a non-starter.

saajan_12

Mark64uk wrote: »

On the other hand it will cost them more than the £110 to get me out.

No, it's the LA who would receive the £110.. It would earn them ~£500+ if you leave, by charging the LL for sending notices, check out fees, new tenant referencing fees, agreement drafting fees, check in inventory fees..

With that incentive, they might convince the LL that they need to evict for 'security of tenure'. It would cost the LL in rental void, but any court costs are recoverable from you.

00ec25

G_M wrote: »

Whether thaat on its on own would invalidate the S21 is up to a judge who might or might not take the reference to email into account.

yes, but the judge may also decide that an email address is a qualifying "LL's addresses" since that is what the clause allows and as you well know "the law" does now recognise the existence of more than just pen and paper as a communication method

(although perhaps tea and cake should be a compulsory mitigation clause in law)

Car1980

Mark64uk wrote: »

That page has changed since i took the tenancy there's no mention of documentation fees and there wast a list of fees when i signed up we have never had that list of fees sent to us.

Yes - read up on OFT v Foxtons http://www.landlordlawblog.co.uk/2009/07/10/oft-victory-in-foxtons-unfair-contract-terms-case/