Benefits in kind and pensionable earnings; lower earners
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stoozie1
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Hi,
I've just had a partly unsuccessful phone call with HMRC and then they referred me to the pensions advisory service, but I'm still a bit in the dark.
My scenario:
Some SE earnings (c.£500-1000/p.a)
Some zero-hours earnings at the nursery my son attends.
The nursery work entitles me to free childcare during my shift, as a benefit in kind. My original understanding was that benefits in kind increase ones pensionable earnings by their nominal value.
HMRC said I was still capped at my total actual earnings (grossed up)
PAS said that if I earned in excess of £8500 I could include the benefit in kind, and pay into my SIPP accordingly. I think this is more likely, seeing this: https://www.gov.uk/hmrc-internal-manuals/pensions-tax-manual/ptm044100#earnings However both said it was a bit niche for them to be sure, and neither knew if the benefit in kind was included in the earnings threshold.
I don't want to do the wrong thing, and so I wanted to ask the knowledgeable people on here.
a) does the £8500 include the perceived value of the benefit in kind?
b) if so, is my total (net) contribution: ((SE earnings + zero-hours earnings + benefit in kind)/80)*100
c) If I have also worked as a volunteer for some shifts, so on nil pay but getting free childcare, am I also allowed to add that free childcare value to my pensionable earnings?
Many thanks if anyone is able to help.
I've just had a partly unsuccessful phone call with HMRC and then they referred me to the pensions advisory service, but I'm still a bit in the dark.
My scenario:
Some SE earnings (c.£500-1000/p.a)
Some zero-hours earnings at the nursery my son attends.
The nursery work entitles me to free childcare during my shift, as a benefit in kind. My original understanding was that benefits in kind increase ones pensionable earnings by their nominal value.
HMRC said I was still capped at my total actual earnings (grossed up)
PAS said that if I earned in excess of £8500 I could include the benefit in kind, and pay into my SIPP accordingly. I think this is more likely, seeing this: https://www.gov.uk/hmrc-internal-manuals/pensions-tax-manual/ptm044100#earnings However both said it was a bit niche for them to be sure, and neither knew if the benefit in kind was included in the earnings threshold.
I don't want to do the wrong thing, and so I wanted to ask the knowledgeable people on here.
a) does the £8500 include the perceived value of the benefit in kind?
b) if so, is my total (net) contribution: ((SE earnings + zero-hours earnings + benefit in kind)/80)*100
c) If I have also worked as a volunteer for some shifts, so on nil pay but getting free childcare, am I also allowed to add that free childcare value to my pensionable earnings?
Many thanks if anyone is able to help.
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Target 2018: 24k Jan 2018- £560 April £2670
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Does the BIK increase taxable earnings? I thought workplace childcare was generally tax free, in which case you wouldn't be able to include it according to the PTM link you quoted.0
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thanks for taking the time to comment.
It is exempt up to a £55/week limit, which in some weeks I will exceed.
https://www.gov.uk/expenses-and-benefits-childcare/whats-exemptSave 12 k in 2018 challenge member #79
Target 2018: 24k Jan 2018- £560 April £26700 -
So the taxable part should count towards your income. So AIUI add your P60 and P11D amounts, that's how much you can contribute gross (so 80% of it net). It looks like the £8,500 limit was abolished in April 2016 so the PTM seems to be out of date quoting that. https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/income-tax-abolition-of-the-8500-threshold-for-benefits-in-kind0
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