Bombardier blow

mayonnaise

Eric_the_half_a_bee wrote: »

The Commerce Department’s penalty against Bombardier will only take effect if the U.S. International Trade Commission (ITC) rules in Boeing’s favor in a final decision expected in 2018.

http://www.reuters.com/article/us-boeing-bombardier/u-s-slaps-steep-duties-on-bombardier-jets-after-boeing-complaint-idUSKCN1C138W

It's a judicial process

The USITC is a federal agency, not a court.

Eric_the_half_a_bee

mayonnaise wrote: »

The USITC is a federal agency, not a court.

As I said, it's a judicial process:

Although the USITC is not a court, its administrative law judges conduct trial-type official administrative hearings. If a Section 337 Tariff Act complaint has at least three votes from its six Commissioners, an official investigative hearing will be assigned to an administrative law judge. Several dozen new USITC investigations are filed every year.[2] Judicial review is normally exercised by the United States Court of Appeals for the Federal Circuit.[14] After the parties have had the opportunity to conduct fact and expert discovery to develop their respective legal positions, the ALJ (administrative law judge) holds a formal, evidentiary hearing, or trial. There is no jury: rather, it is a bench trial. About three months after considering the arguments of the parties, the ALJ renders an initial determination (ID). The full ITC reviews and may adopt, modify or reverse the ALJ's initial determination. The ITC's final determination is usually issued about four months after the ALJ's ID.[15]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_International_Trade_Commission

mayonnaise

Eric_the_half_a_bee wrote: »

As I said, it's a judicial process:



https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_International_Trade_Commission

Look up "quasi-judicial" and update us on your findings.

Thrugelmir

The US had no hesitation wringing every penny out of BP. US national interest influences decisions. Not as if the judiciary are independent.

A_Medium_Size_Jock

With thanks in advance to peachyprice I would like to include here a copy of their post from another thread elsewhere in these forums, since it does appear to be appropriate.
As such please do not thank me for posting it here; if you wish to you may thank the OP in post # 15 here:
https://forums.moneysavingexpert.com/discussion/5718396

peachyprice wrote: »

You Remainers jumping on the 'welcome to the horrors of Brexit' bandwagon do realise that this has happened while we're still in the EU, yes? Where's your EU protectionism now?

Why there was any need to even mention Brexit in relation to this story baffles me.

Arklight

Conrad wrote: »

Lets not forget the EU imposes considerable tariffs on all manner of global products, which has a knock-on effect for the competitiveness of UK output.


Lets also remember the many downsides of EU membership when it comes to for example our wishing to commission UK ship builders for our military needs.


I knew someone would draw some sort of simplistic conclusion that concludes all things non EU spell danger.

And I knew that after having been tootling the, "USA is the future of our everything," trumpet for the last year, you would then pop up pretending this, frankly awful, news has no impact at all on anything.

We are stuck between two giant trading blocs with no influence over either, thanks to you and your Express reading comrades.


Hope it's worth it.

Arklight

The free market is only free if America wins every time.


The US have been after Airbus for years, under the pretext that the state investment of that company amounts to a subsidy. Completely ignoring the blank cheques they give Boeing every year for undisclosed military contracts.


I would say with this Bombardier precedent the Airbus workers in the UK are screwed. The EU isn't going to pay fines to protect British jobs so they'll all be moved to France and Germany.


Hopefully news like this will start to filter into Brexit screamers consciousness when they are talking about a middle sized country with a small share of the global economy "taking back control."

stator

Linton wrote: »

In the EU such actions could be countered with appropriate retaliation or even the threat of retaliation - it cant be difficult to find some due cause.

After BREXIT would the UK have the clout?

Given the amount of money the UK government gives Boeing yes, we have plenty of clout.
Cancel a few orders for Apache Holicopters and that'll get their attention

Malthusian

Arklight wrote: »

Hopefully news like this will start to filter into Brexit screamers consciousness when they are talking about a middle sized country with a small share of the global economy "taking back control."

At the moment we are a small sized country (less than 1% of world population) with a middling share of the global economy (4%). To be a middle sized country with a small share of the economy, we would have to open our borders to the entire African migration trail, while simultaenously undergoing year-on-year recession that would make early-30s Stalinism look like a tea-party.

Funny how Remainers claim to be peace-loving citizens of the world and talk of the EU's contribution to world peace, yet they're absolutely obsessed with the UK having a huge arms industry, and view the prospect of us reallocating labour and capital to real industry (industry that produces things that are actually useful and improve people's lives) as an unspeakable disaster. No wonder these warmongers come across so belligerent on the Internet.

mayonnaise

This Bombardier row could be the end of Theresa May’s deal with the DUP

The failure of the Prime Minister personally to persuade the Americans to back down in the Bombardier-Boeing dispute might easily start alarm bells ringing in Belfast, where the DUP will be wondering if Theresa May is spending too much time trying to find a way through Brexit negotiations and not enough thinking about a key part of Ulster’s industrial output.

http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/bombardier-theresa-may-tory-dup-deal-northern-ireland-jobs-government-conservatives-tariff-boeing-a7970006.html