0 points for PIP but got ESA without assessment.

rich_shot2003

Sometimes i really dont understand DWP as early on in the year i was being moved to PIP from DLA and got 0 points so have put in for a appeal for that.

so was told to claim ESA which i did and then got a letter asking me to go for a assessment in oct but then got a letter today saying appointment has been cancelled and do not need to go for a assessment.

so i called DWP and they told me that they had asked my gp for medical notes which i knew about and they have found me unfit for work and i will get a letter soon telling me which group i will go into.

now what i dont understand is why did pip not asked for my medical notes from my gp which i knew they did not and maybe i would had got the points to get pip.

now could me not having to go for a assessment for esa help my appeal for pip?

also which group am i more likely be put in for esa?

ChrisDA95

PIP and ESA assess you for different reasons. ESA assesses your capability to work, while PIP assesses how your disability hinders your capability to do certain tasks (cooking, washing yourself, etc). For example, take somebody with severe agoraphobia, they would most definitely get ESA, but wouldn't necessarily get PIP.

poppy12345

ChrisDA95 wrote: »

PIP and ESA assess you for different reasons. ESA assesses your capability to work, while PIP assesses how your disability hinders your capability to do certain tasks (cooking, washing yourself, etc). For example, take somebody with severe agoraphobia, they would most definitely get ESA, but wouldn't necessarily get PIP.

Sorry but i disagree with that. ESA is about the work you can do and not the work you can't do.

ChrisDA95

poppy12345 wrote: »

Sorry but i disagree with that. ESA is about the work you can do and not the work you can't do.

Where did I state "its about the work you can't do". I said it assesses your CAPABILITY TO WORK, hence why an ESA assessment is called a Work Capability Assessment. You can claim ESA whether you can or can't work.

tomtom256

ChrisDA95 wrote: »

Where did I state "its about the work you can't do". I said it assesses your CAPABILITY TO WORK, hence why an ESA assessment is called a Work Capability Assessment. You can claim ESA whether you can or can't work.

Not much point claiming it if you can work, as surely you would fail the Work Capability Assessment!

ohreally

tomtom256 wrote: »

Not much point claiming it if you can work, as surely you would fail the Work Capability Assessment!

How would this reconcile with permitted work then?

ChrisDA95

tomtom256 wrote: »

Not much point claiming it if you can work, as surely you would fail the Work Capability Assessment!

Uh, those who get ESA are sorted into 2 groups: Work-related Activity group and the Support group. The WRA group are those who conditions are recognised and are deemed able to work, but need support to do so. Support Group are those whose conditions are too severe to work, or who have conditions which would be greatly exacerbated in a work environment..

rich_shot2003

When i called DWP it was down that i am unfit to work so would that mean i would more go into the support group? and what happens if i am put in that group?

tomtom256

ohreally wrote: »

How would this reconcile with permitted work then?

It's called sarcasm and to be fair you're either fit for work or you're not.

Permitted or otherwise.

epitome

poppy12345 wrote: »

Sorry but i disagree with that. ESA is about the work you can do and not the work you can't do.

And sorry, but I disagree with that.

ESA is about the descriptors and risk, nothing more nothing less.

epitome

ChrisDA95 wrote: »

Uh, those who get ESA are sorted into 2 groups: Work-related Activity group and the Support group. The WRA group are those who conditions are recognised and are deemed able to work, but need support to do so. Support Group are those whose conditions are too severe to work, or who have conditions which would be greatly exacerbated in a work environment..

Again, not true.

WRAG are deemed to have a Limited Capability for work, they may be able to work or they may not, it is up to the claimant if they want to look for work - or not. - the only requirement for them is to take part -if able- in Work Related Activity. They can do permitted work if they want to.

SG are deemed to have Limited Capability for Work Related Activity. There is no requirement on them at all. They may be able to work or they may not, it is up to the individual claimant to decide. They can do permitted work if they want to.

You can claim ESA whether you can work or not....the only thing that matters is ...Do you fit the descriptors enough to pass the WCA.