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Delivery mileage issue

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  • footyguy
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    Herzlos wrote: »
    In the factory? It's normally done before the odo is connected and doesn't add to the mileage.

    By an external company? They'll take 1 or 2 cars from a run, stick a load of miles on them, and the car company will treat them as used.

    Not in any car factory I have ever been in in the last decade.

    The odometer is connected on the assembly line.
    It's not been possible to easily disconnect/reconnect an odometer for years now, since odometers have become electronic. (to avoid tampering)
  • motorguy
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    ukmike wrote: »
    The dealer could [STRIKE]of[/STRIKE] have plugged in a laptop & turned back the milage in minutes.

    Its not that easy, that would only change the ODO display, not all the places across the car its logged. And there would be evidence it had been done in the logs.
  • footyguy
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    Herzlos wrote: »
    I'd expect delivery miles to be under 50, with anything else needing to be discounted as ex-demo or pre-registered. The 2 pre-regs we looked at 6 and 17 miles on them, for instance, and a discount of about 20% under the brokers prices. I'd be expecting something like 20-30% off list price or I'd walk away and buy it next week when it's on the forecourt as a pre-reg.....

    You added this bit later, so I will address it now.

    Pre-registered simply means new but already registered.
    This is sometimes done by the manufacturer or sometimes by the dealership for various reasons (usually to artificially inflate sales figures, or perhaps occasionally as it would become illegal to sell the vehicle if not immedaittely registered, because of a change in the law e,g emissions, saftety, etc)

    Of course not all cars have lots of miles on them when new, as some cars roll of the end of the delivery line and work fisrt time, and if always moved by a transporter, and not be selcted for any other test reasons, can have low mileage.

    But I would question the vehicle with only 6 miles on the clock. Had it been PPI'd? Perhaps not, as pre-reg vehicles often are not until sold to a 'genuine' buyer.

    Remember, a new car has 2 litres of fuel added in the factory, and another 3 litres should be added at PPI. That's a gallon of fuel paid for in a very cost sensitive market by the manufacturer.
    Most cars today will do about 50mpg on average (but obviously much less if used for short journeys etc)
    Manufacturers won't be giving away a free gallon of fuel with each car unless they really had to.
  • Le_Kirk
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    ukmike wrote: »
    The dealer could of plugged in a laptop & turned back the milage in minutes.
    No, he could HAVE plugged in etc.......
  • MataNui wrote: »
    Looks like you will be waiting another 2-3 now.

    Dont accept this one, even if it is only a lease. I have been looking at 'nearly new' cars recently (though in the end went for a older higher model) and was seeing a fair few with < 100 miles. These came in thousands cheaper than the lease quotes i was getting for new ones.

    If these clowns expect you to pay full price for that one then they are having a laugh. And yes its only a lease but your payments are based on it being worth full value when you pick it up. If they advertised it as 'nearly new' its worth several k less than what they are basing your monthly payments on.

    But realistically this car won't be worth any less than an identical one with 10 miles on the clock once you have owned it for a week, so I would not expect the dealer to cave in and take thousands off.

    Still I hope this is not the same dealer I ordered a GTE from earlier this week.
  • But realistically this car won't be worth any less than an identical one with 10 miles on the clock once you have owned it for a week, so I would not expect the dealer to cave in and take thousands off.

    The first few hundred miles are important. If it's your own car, you break it in gently. I doubt "300 miles of test drives" is the same as "300 miles of owner driving".
  • lincroft1710
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    Although it's different now as most new cars come on transporters, but in the 1960s new cars were often driven from the factory to the dealer. My uncle worked for a Ford dealership in Cumbria and would get the train down to Dagenham, then drive the 300 miles back to the garage.

    So your brand new Anglia, Consul, Zodiac or even 300E 7 cwt van already had 300 miles on the clock and (as my uncle broke the journey home at our place) the bonus of my father and myself crawling all over the vehicle! The 300E van had a couple of extra miles as my father wanted some cigarettes, so uncle drove us both into town in the van to buy some.
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  • motorguy
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    footyguy wrote: »

    Deivery mileage is generally accepted as being less than 1000 miles.

    No its not. I've been in or around the motor industry for 30 years now and not in a million years would up to 1,000 miles be accepted on a new car as "delivery miles"
    footyguy wrote: »

    Don't assume that just because it has a few miles on it, it's been thrashed up the motorway. Most new cars are actually now transported via transporter, not only to avoid them being trashed by inexperienced drivers, but also because when they are driven on the road they can incur other damage (such as stone chips to paintwork, windscreen, etc tyre damage, etc) all of which would then need to be recified at the dealer's expense.
    So better to use a fully insured transport service for transporting vehicles.

    So where does up to 1000 miles delivery mileage occur? When built, some cars are selected for conformity testing purposes, or for careful examination because of an identified fault before the car even leaves the factory.
    The car will be carefully driven, as the reason for the driving (which may be accumlated on a rolling road) is to gain informative data, not for some kid to test on a speed pan.

    It's a very accomodating dealer that is willing to allow you to cancel the order with only about 250 miles on the clock ... or they know it's a cra they can quickly sell to someone else, possibly for more money than you agreed to pay for it.

    Sorry, but this is verging on complete nonsense. :eek:
    footyguy wrote: »

    (It's not been unknown for the odd unscrupulous dealer to simply fit a new cluster to a car with a few miles on it, so the customer thinks they will get a car with pehaps just a couple of miles on when new. - it's usally more than a ciouple of miles from the end of the production line, to the rolling road, to the shipping area, to the lorry, off the lorry, to the compound, from the compoud to the dealer, to the garage for service, to the polaish & wax area, etc. So be very wary of any car with just a couple of miles on the clock when you pick it up)

    Again, more rubbish. A new instrument panel would cost in the high hundreds if not over £1,000 and would be entirely traceable in the cars ECU history.
  • neilmcl
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    motorguy wrote: »
    Sorry, but this is verging on complete nonsense. :eek:
    Not just me then ;)
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