Recently moved into house, dropped kerb application refused. What can I do?

freeisgood

How about resessing the section of wall/window by 10cm behind the potential driveway, would that be impossible? Eg level out a bay window...Create a permanent solution to the problem.

theartfullodger

the_midnight_Wolfboy wrote: »

Yes I agree "rules are rules" so it makes it difficult to appeal the decision, but in the Borough there are other driveways approved that have broken rules e.g. not being over 10m from a junction or being less than 4.2m. For example if you google "MZA planning Crossover appeal" you can see a case study of a driveway approved recently which is clearly under 4.2m depth

I am just trying to be imaginative here and see if there is anything I can do. My user privileges do not allow me to link to websites or images so I can't show pics on here of my drive but I can try and private message them

Great images of the bollards , definitely something I want to avoid unless I want my own article in the Daily Mail

I admire your optimism but expecting life, councils, the law to be "fair" or "reasonable" is, I hate to tell you, likely to lead to disappointment - or worse things....

But if this is the 1st time in your life you have been disappointed in this sort of matter, well, lucky you! I've had way, way more...

KittenChops

the_midnight_Wolfboy wrote: »

Yes I agree "rules are rules" so it makes it difficult to appeal the decision, but in the Borough there are other driveways approved that have broken rules e.g. not being over 10m from a junction or being less than 4.2m. For example if you google "MZA planning Crossover appeal" you can see a case study of a driveway approved recently which is clearly under 4.2m depth

I am just trying to be imaginative here and see if there is anything I can do. My user privileges do not allow me to link to websites or images so I can't show pics on here of my drive but I can try and private message them

Great images of the bollards , definitely something I want to avoid unless I want my own article in the Daily Mail

(my bolding above)

There's a pair of semi detached houses on the corner of my street that was built in the last 5 years - no way are they ten meters from the junction... I wonder how that got through? Am off to nose at the planning documents now...!

angelin77

I am considering installing a car turntable in my drive. I live on a very busy A road and the turntable is the only realistic way I can spin my car to go out of my drive in forward gear. I have seen turntables priced at about £5500 for a 3,8 diameter one (manual) Maybe this could be a solution for you. You may be able to convince the planning people that you can exit your drive in first gear and also turn it to be parallel with the road/house when parked in your drive, avoiding overhang. Expensive option though

EachPenny

the_midnight_Wolfboy wrote: »

For example if you google "MZA planning Crossover appeal" you can see a case study of a driveway approved recently which is clearly under 4.2m depth

Great images of the bollards , definitely something I want to avoid unless I want my own article in the Daily Mail

The MZA case study is a planning case which, if the title of the thread is correct, is not relevant to your case.

It is important to understand the difference between the need for planning consent, building regulations, and dropped-kerb consent. You may need all three to get off-street parking, and all involve different processes.

The planning consent would relate to the actual driveway area where you park the car. The dropped kerb (and footway alterations) are on highway land which are not overed by any planning consent (or permitted development rights) you have for your driveway.

The dropped kerb is a highways issue, and in terms of conditions, each authority makes and enforces its own rules. If you believe it has misapplied its own rules then follow the council's complaints procedure and take it to the Local Government Ombudsman. But you won't win just because you don't agree with the rules. MZA are referring to a planning application which a Planning Inspector will consider under appeal - it is not relevant if you've not made a planning application. A Planning Inspector cannot normally overrule a council's decision not to provide a dropped kerb.

Note the glum expressions of the people in the pictures....

KittenChops wrote: »

There's a pair of semi detached houses on the corner of my street that was built in the last 5 years - no way are they ten meters from the junction... I wonder how that got through? Am off to nose at the planning documents now...!

Different council, different rules?

angelin77 wrote: »

I am considering installing a car turntable in my drive...
Maybe this could be a solution for you. You may be able to convince the planning people that you can exit your drive in first gear and also turn it to be parallel with the road/house when parked in your drive, avoiding overhang. Expensive option though

Long-term it might be cheaper for the OP simply to move house. On top of installation there will be maintenance and replacement costs - and when they come to sell the property there will be something 'unusual' in the front garden to spook potential purchasers and their mortgage company.

Again, it is important to understand this is a highways issue, not planning. Although constructing a turntable may require additional planning and building control consents.

theartfullodger

angelin77 wrote: »

I am considering installing a car turntable in my drive. I live on a very busy A road and the turntable is the only realistic way I can spin my car to go out of my drive in forward gear. I have seen turntables priced at about £5500 for a 3,8 diameter one (manual) Maybe this could be a solution for you. You may be able to convince the planning people that you can exit your drive in first gear and also turn it to be parallel with the road/house when parked in your drive, avoiding overhang. Expensive option though

There's another way:. Reverse in.

KittenChops

EachPenny wrote: »

Different council, different rules

Different council, same rules.

D6TMC

Hi there I have a similar situation I've recently bought a house that needs a lot of work, parking is horrendous, I've created off road parking area at the front of my end Terrance house, I've applied for a dropped kerb and been denied, apparently my drive is 8 inches too short (200mm). The council claim new regs requires 4.8 meters. I'm going to appeal as all of my neighbors have dropped kerbs, I have the deepest drive out the lot, 5 doors up the road the rear end of cars partially block the foot path. Can anyone offer advice on how I should appeal.
Thank you

00ec25

D6TMC wrote: »

Can anyone offer advice on how I should appeal.

Dear Sirs, I know I do not meet the current rules, but that means my life is ruined, so please ignore or re-write the rules so I can do what I want.
PS whilst you are at it, please solve the national debt and feed anyone who is hungry.

RobertoMoir

D6TMC wrote: »

I've applied for a dropped kerb and been denied, apparently my drive is 8 inches too short (200mm). The council claim new regs requires 4.8 meters. I'm going to appeal as all of my neighbors have dropped kerbs, I have the deepest drive out the lot, 5 doors up the road the rear end of cars partially block the foot path. Can anyone offer advice on how I should appeal.
Thank you

What others have done in the past isn’t really relevant to new regs. Your options are, imho, verifying that “what the council claim” is accurate and there isn’t a caveat that would help you, and ensuring your drive is accurately measured, if this would get you over the limit.