SP - Three Rate Meter

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HWA01 wrote: »

Appreciate all the feedback, what does NSH mean wavelets? ...

What you refewr to in your OP as "storage";)

HWA01 wrote: »

On the back of my latest meter reads my DD is now up to £75 a month...

If you think it's inappropriate, this explains how to challenge it
http://www.moneysavingexpert.com/utilities/lower-energy-direct-debits

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HWA01 wrote: »

...I haven't had the heating on since May this year..

That's not what you said in your OP yesterday

HWA01 wrote: »

...my heating is never on, summer or winter. ...

Google what Judge Judy says about when you need a good memory, and when you don't :cool:

[Deleted User]

Hi,

HWAO1 this is from Scottish Power site, what system do you have?

Wet electric central heating systems There are two main types of system:

• Electric storage boilers - are systems with thermal storage. This means they can supply heat and hot water on demand, as long as sufficient hot water is stored in the system.
• Flow boilers - don't have thermal storage. They give you heat and hot water on demand but need a 24-hour electricity supply. Flow boilers do not supply domestic hot water so your hot water will still be provided through your hot water tank.

Make sure you control the times and temperature your electric heating system comes on and off, so you don't spend more than you have to.

• We recommend that living rooms are set to 21C, and 18C for areas like bathrooms and halls.
• Your hot water temperature should be a maximum of 63C.
• If you're not using a particular room, keep the temperature there a little lower, but not freezing, especially in the winter.
• Use thermostatic radiator valves to control the temperature in each room - and remember that you might have to 'bleed' water filled radiators to keep them working efficiently.

molerat

https://www.dealec.co.uk/acatalog/pdf/redring/DualHeat.pdf
Looks like a 9kW electric combi.

HWA01

As molerart says its an electric combi boiler, I have a Danfoss room thermostat controller, which doesn't have any temperatures programmed in to come on at any point of the week. I don't have any way to control water temperature there is no temperature setting on the combi boiler. My boiler cupboard just has power switch for the boiler and another one for the pump. There is nothing that I can see for controlling the water temperature.

All radiators have TRVs on them already,

Buzby

A slight complication is you are dealing with 2 entities - your meter belongs to SPN (Scottish Power Networks) who is the Regional Supply Authority for Glasgow - they used to be called the SSEB. You pay your bills to Scottish Power who will set the tariffs you are on - they are not known for being cheap, what is the name of the tariff you are on, and when did you switch to it.

E7 and E10 are only of use for high demand overnight. As you have no storage these `White meter' services can mean you will pay even more as the daytime (peak) electric costs more per KWh and always have.

HWA01

I am on SP, Standard Online - Monthly direct debit which SP say (I know!) is the best deal for me. Have spoken with the manufacturer of the boiler who has said, that apparently an economy 18 or millenium tariff was put in place for these types of boilers. A dual heat rate which meant you only had heating on for 18 hours out of 24 hrs with two periods of 3 hours which were the highest rate you wouldn't be charged meaning you get a cheaper rate. This seems to be the SP economy 2000 tariff, information is limited online. I spoke to SP and they have no idea about this tariff and no longer provide it, however the person I spoke to didn’t seem to know what they were talking about. Short term I will simply turn off my heating and record the readings every day going forward.

HWA01

I have been monitoring the electricity for the last week and assuming I don't use the washing machine or dishwasher the usage is 7kWh per day approx. The boiler switch is turned off and thankfully cuts any requirement for heating, so none has been used for the past week. I have a electric shower so that doesn't need hot water.

The tariff does seem to be excessive, electricity rate is 14.286p and heating rate 9.148, but the real issue is the standard charge at 28.97p per day. As it seem moving supplier is all but impossible and from the advice above, a meter change doesnt seem to be recommended would it be worthwhile replacing my boiler and if so to what type and would that allow a change of meter and access to better tariffs?

gazmeister7

Hey, did you manage to get this resolved?

HWA01

gazmeister7 wrote: »

Hey, did you manage to get this resolved?

No I haven't, I have simply turned off my boiler so haven't had used the heating or hot water for most of the year, April till today. I have an electric shower so no need for hot water for that. This has taken the bills down to £39/month direct debit, which is a lot better than what it was, but winter now almost upon us, i am preparing for the DD to increase once again. Have contact citizens advice and am trying to work out whether removing the heaters I have and replacing them will allow me to get SP to change my meter. However from what is said its very difficult, I have seen other threads where people have involved their MP and it makes no difference. If there was a simple explanation of what I needed to change, radiators, boiler etc to get off the 3 rate meter, I would go ahead and change it at my cost. I assume you are on white meter heating?