Turnkey question

Slithery

No.

Why would he even have an itemised cost for each room?

phill99

I am a builder and I find tradesmens approach to invoicing hit and miss. I require my subbies to give me an invoice with their name, address and phone number on it as well as a brief narrative of the work they have done. Its only fair that I have a record of what they are invoicing me for.


If I was a homeowner I would expect that same.


An awful lot of tradesmen seem to think that acting professionally and providing customers with invoices doesn't apply to them.

Cardinal-Red

It might be the very fact that he is not VAT registered that is driving this.

If the builder subcontracts the work to the tiler who is not VAT registered, then the builder would have to charge you VAT on a supply which would not have VAT on when invoiced to you directly by the tiler; therefore saving you 20%?

(I'm ignoring the VAT question of whether the works are zero rated for now as there seems to be an assumption that VAT is involved here).

societys_child

You agreed a price, pay it.

What difference would a room by room breakdown make?

It's not as if you're trying to get out of paying is it . . .

martindow

I'm not clear whether you agree with the figure on the invoice or are suggesting that you would like to deduct the 500 Pounds the builder has paid from it.

If it is the correct figure and you are happy with the work then give him a cheque. If he is above board a cheque would be fine. What I would not do is pay with cash.

00ec25

some rather ill informed comment regarding invoices on here

the contents of an invoice are laid out in tax law and apply whether the trader is VAT registered or not

see here:
https://www.gov.uk/invoicing-and-taking-payment-from-customers/invoices-what-they-must-include

a scrap of paper as described is not an invoice and , as OP suspects, is probably related to the tiler aiming to keep the payment out of his books. Whatever you do don't pay cash - unless you get a sizeable discount....

eithnemc

00ec25 wrote: »

some rather ill informed comment regarding invoices on here

the contents of an invoice are laid out in tax law and apply whether the trader is VAT registered or not

see here:
https://www.gov.uk/invoicing-and-taking-payment-from-customers/invoices-what-they-must-include

a scrap of paper as described is not an invoice and , as OP suspects, is probably related to the tiler aiming to keep the payment out of his books. Whatever you do don't pay cash - unless you get a sizeable discount....

Thank you for clarifying what I already suspected...

eithnemc

phill99 wrote: »

I am a builder and I find tradesmens approach to invoicing hit and miss. I require my subbies to give me an invoice with their name, address and phone number on it as well as a brief narrative of the work they have done. Its only fair that I have a record of what they are invoicing me for.


If I was a homeowner I would expect that same.


An awful lot of tradesmen seem to think that acting professionally and providing customers with invoices doesn't apply to them.

Thank you for clarifying this...

AnotherJoe

eithnemc wrote: »

Do you think I have the right to ask for an invoice dated with his address and work itemised for each room

You have the right to ask for an invoice written in boilerplate on velum delivered by a unicorn.

He is under no obligation to provide one.

Seriously, please explain what difference it would make to you if he writes "tiling £600" or "tiling room 1 £200, tiling room 2 £200, tiling room 3 £200, discount for 3 rooms £100, total cost £500"

??

And why its part of a VAT fiddle if he doenstw rte "spaces £25, adhesive £47, 3 rooms £297, blah blah blah"

Pay him by cheque and stop being so ridiculuous, if i was him i'd be thinking you are trying to get out of paying. Once he provides an invoice by room you'll want the exact number of tiles paid per room, once he does that you'll want the square meterage of adhesive, ad infinitum.

Just pay him, hes done the work. Jeez. I had a plaster at my house last year. he wanted £300, i agreed, i paid him. I didn't care about bits of paper, just the quality of the work.

davidmcn

eithnemc wrote: »

Our new home is turnkey.

Apart from the fact that I keep on misreading "turnkey" as "turkey", this doesn't sound "turnkey" to me? Surely the whole point of turnkey is that you walk into your new house without having to pay contractors and negotiate what the invoices etc look like?