Brexit, the economy and house prices (Part 3)

gfplux

A_Medium_Size_Jock wrote: »

"Speaking on her trip to Japan, Mrs May said in an interview with the BBC: It’s the United Kingdom that has been coming forward with the ideas and with the clarity about the future."
https://www.ft.com/content/0930d378-6a2a-3923-8a23-f694de57af59

Yup, just what some of us have been saying here for a while.

Those "ideas" are all about Phase two, trade.
Britain needs to focus on phase one so it can move on to trade. I wonder why the delay. Is it a "new" cunning plan?

A_Medium_Size_Jock

Regarding EU unity, this interesting read is from the FT just a few days ago:

Brexit has not yet found any imitators. The real threat to the cohesion of the EU, posed by the UK’s vote to quit, was always more likely to come over time rather than immediately.

https://www.ft.com/content/1ce98fbe-89ac-11e7-bf50-e1c239b45787

Conrad

always_sunny wrote: »

The UK cannot be half in and half out and expect things will be the same as before.

Why characterise the aim as halve in halve out? Is Canada halve in halve out (and again note trade with us is 10 x more)?
Our trade is already fully compliant and aligned, so need for a 7 yr negotiation.


I said all along I'd be happy to just go WTO and then say to the EU you can either carry on selling to us tariff free or not, your decision.

All this pratting about with Remoaners doing the bidding of Brussels is not my style.

We need a passionate can-do courageous leader in no 10, Mrs May is far too much a pontificating pacifier

Tromking

gfplux wrote: »

I have spent the last 8 weeks in France, a lot of time on the beach.
I have watched French news almost every night (TF1 20.00) and there is hardly a mention of Brexit. It's as if it's already over. No one seems to care!
Now I am a committed remainer and VERY interested in any or every snippet of Brexit news. Most posters here are also committed to one side or the other.
Can you tell me does Brexit figure in the UK news a lot or is it also becoming a non subject.
Thank you.
Back to the beach soon.

Brexit is still quite prominent in the news I suppose. As regards the general populous, hardly anyone I know is talking about it anymore. Most want it done and dusted quickly now.

A_Medium_Size_Jock

Tromking wrote: »

Brexit is still quite prominent in the news I suppose. As regards the general populous, hardly anyone I know is talking about it anymore. Most want it done and dusted quickly now.

Absolutely.
As an observation though: whilst on holiday the last thing on my mind would be worrying, looking for and posting about the innumerable possibilities of Brexit on an internet forum.

A_Medium_Size_Jock

gfplux wrote: »

Those "ideas" are all about Phase two, trade.
Britain needs to focus on phase one so it can move on to trade. I wonder why the delay. Is it a "new" cunning plan?

Er, no.
The EU wants the UK to focus on phase one ............... there is a difference which we know from experience will be ignored by pro-remain supporters.

This from Theresa May today:

Asked whether, as she has previously indicated, no deal better than a bad deal, she said: Yes I think that is right. But if you talk about the point at which we leave the European Union, we want to ensure we do have a deal. I said in January in Lancaster House that one of the things we wanted to ensure was a smooth changeover.

https://www.ft.com/content/0930d378-6a2a-3923-8a23-f694de57af59

You see, "we want".
So far the EU shows no signs of movement.
Perhaps then the EU are painting themselves into a proverbial corner here?

setmefree2

Tromking wrote: »

Brexit is still quite prominent in the news I suppose. As regards the general populous, hardly anyone I know is talking about it anymore. Most want it done and dusted quickly now.

I agree. When you look at "most read" on the BBC news website Brexit stories are way down the list these days - that's when they appear on the BBCs front page too.

setmefree2

Members of the EU were out in force on UK business channels this morning telling us how rubbish the UK government are whilst coming up with nothing of note themselves - including Vice-President of the European Commission Valdis Dombrovskis who clearly stated that the EU "need" a deal with the UK, that no deal was not an option- that the EU was working towards reaching a deal - whilst spending way too much time saying "we want our money".

Joy of Joy's - it's Guy Verhofstadt's turn tomorrow.....

setmefree2

Interesting polling information.

ICM also asked about people’s attitudes towards Britain paying a financial settlement as part of our Brexit negotiations (a so-called “exit fee”). ICM asked similar questions back in April and found very little support – only 10% thought paying a £20bn settlement would be acceptable, 15% a £10bn fee and 33% a £3bn exit fee. This time the figures suggested in the question were changed to what are probably more realistic figures and with interesting results – now 9% think a settlement of £40bn would be acceptable, 11% a £30bn settlement, 18% a £20bn settlement, 41% a £10bn settlement. On the face of it this one might think this is a startling change, a few months ago only 15% thought it would be acceptable to pay a £10bn settlement as part of Brexit, now 41% think it’s acceptable.

I think it’s probably actually a good example of the importance of context in a question. Most people are really not that good at putting figures of billions of pounds in context – any sum that involves the words billion is a huge amount of money to begin with, so what would be a relatively small settlement? A moderate settlement? A huge settlement? The only thing respondents have to scale it by is the question itself. In April £3bn was implicitly presented as the small option and £10bn was presented as the medium option. In this poll £10bn is implicitly presented as the small option and £20bn or £30bn are presented as the medium options – hence why a £10bn settlement suddenly seems to be so much more paletable.

That’s not to say the question doesn’t tell us anything at all – there’s still an interesting increase. In April only 33% thought a “small” financial settlement would be acceptable as part of the Brexit deal; now that figure has risen to 41% (despite the actual figure quoted tripling!). It looks as if the public may be moving towards accepting that a financial settlement may be an inevitable part of Brexit.

http://ukpollingreport.co.uk/

gfplux

A_Medium_Size_Jock wrote: »

Absolutely.
As an observation though: whilst on holiday the last thing on my mind would be worrying, looking for and posting about the innumerable possibilities of Brexit on an internet forum.

Jock you don't have the type of skin in the game that those of us who are directly effected by Citizens Rights so I can't keep away.