Brexit, the economy and house prices (Part 3)

A_Medium_Size_Jock

StevieJ wrote: »

If you say so :-)

It's not my say so though is it?
Look at Barmier's recent comments and ask yourself; does it really look like he wants agreement?

always_sunny

A_Medium_Size_Jock wrote: »

It's not my say so though is it?
Look at Barmier's recent comments and ask yourself; does it really look like he wants agreement?

It's not my say so though is it?
Look at Davis' recent papers and ask yourself; does it really look like he wants agreement?

Rinoa

In today's news:

'Juncker blasts UK position papers as not good enough'

'Barnier demands UK start negotiating seriously'

It's almost as if the EU are a little worried we haven't yet caved in and acquiesced to all their demands.

TrickyTree83

always_sunny wrote: »

It's not my say so though is it?
Look at Davis' recent papers and ask yourself; does it really look like he wants agreement?

Having been sad / boring enough to do so... yes. It's quite obvious.

A_Medium_Size_Jock

This in yesterday's Politico from Barmier should explain nicely for those who refuse to accept EU intransigence:

He also offered a pointed reminder that the European Council had given him very specific orders: To resolve the most important divorce issues first, before moving on to a discussion of Britain’s future relationship with the EU.

http://www.politico.eu/article/brexit-talks-hit-groundhog-week/
Now, who "pulls the strings" in the European Council?
:whistle:

A_Medium_Size_Jock

German business isn't at all worried about Brexit, no siree.
Definitely.

That must be why the Association of German Chambers of Commerce and the British Chambers Of Commerce have joined forces, asking for talks on business concerns to begin as part of Brexit negotiations:

A survey by DIHK found the outlook for businesses trading with the UK is worsening. The UK is the third largest market for German export goods and German firms employ more than 400,000 workers in the UK.

http://www.cityam.com/270916/its-economy-stupid-brit-and-german-business-groups-signal

Rinoa

Interesting insight from William Hague on current talks:

The former Conservative leader said Brussels was successfully piling pressure on the Government to make concessions as the deadline for quitting the EU approaches.
But he insisted that Angela Merkel and Emmanuel Macron will eventually have to talk directly with Theresa May to iron out the differences between the two sides.

At the moment, Michel Barnier is negotiating with the UK on behalf of the EU's other 27 member states.
Writing in the Daily Telegraph, Lord Hague – who is also a former Foreign Secretary – said: “Issues are now coming up which are so fundamental that only the German Chancellor and the French President talking to Theresa May can fully resolve them. But if she tries to discuss matters with them she is told the talks must be conducted with Michel Barnier at the European Commission.
“When he in turn is confronted by choices, he says that his mandate is set by the 27 heads of government and he can't change it.
“For now, this circular way of negotiating suits the EU side. It gives Britain the runaround and increases the pressure on the Government. It allows them to be as obstructive as they wish without seeming to be.
“The moment is rapidly approaching, however, when leading EU governments will have to make some serious interventions in the talks if they are going to act in their own best interests.”

As was stated by many some months ago, nothing much will happen until after the German elections.

always_sunny

TrickyTree83 wrote: »

Having been sad / boring enough to do so... yes. It's quite obvious.

That's be fine if the UK would be negotiating alone, if the other party does not agree, the other party does not agree.

TrickyTree83

always_sunny wrote: »

That's be fine if the UK would be negotiating alone, if the other party does not agree, the other party does not agree.

In that case why does the same not apply to the EU for you? If the UK doesn't agree, etc...

The current lack of progress appears to be down to the EU. There is only one party with a rigid outline of terms.

always_sunny

TrickyTree83 wrote: »

In that case why does the same not apply to the EU for you? If the UK doesn't agree, etc...

The current lack of progress appears to be down to the EU. There is only one party with a rigid outline of terms.

If the UK doesn't like it, the UK can say so and/or walk away in the same way as the EU is doing by saying it doesn't see any progress. The EU and the UK can be as inflexible as they wish.
The ECJ might be a red line for the EU to move to phase 2, it might also be a red line for the UK which means it won't progress and both go home empty handed.

Remember, for the EU Brexit is now a nuisance whilst they do other things.