Brexit, the economy and house prices (Part 3)

System

A_Medium_Size_Jock wrote: »

In other words .......... there's nothing much to say.
Yet.
Still.
Ho hum.

With each passing day it's becoming more obvious that Davis made a calamitous mistake in agreeing to the EU's agenda and timescales. That's what you get for being woefully under-prepared.

Same goes for the general election. We needed that a few days before negotiations began like a hole in the head. As Davis was one of the main architects of that disaster too he shouldn't be expecting too many nominations for Briton of the year award.

setmefree2

A_Medium_Size_Jock wrote: »

In other words .......... there's nothing much to say.
Yet.
Still.
Ho hum.

No worries.

We will keep beavering away at our trade relations with others...they can't make us stay in the customs union.....so when we're ready, we can leave....

....I'm guessing EU citizens have mostly stopped coming here in large numbers....so staying in the single market as a transition shouldn't be too problematic either...

I'd call that having our cake and eating it....

We'll be leaving when we are ready Mr Barnier et al....

Thrugelmir

ilovehouses wrote: »

With each passing day it's becoming more obvious that Davis made a calamitous mistake in agreeing to the EU's agenda and timescales. That's what you get for being woefully under-prepared.

The EU's timescales are well documented..........

Arguably it's the EU that have a large hole in their wallet. That no one is prepared to fill. Why should they when the Uk provided hand outs.

setmefree2

Originally Posted by ilovehouses
With each passing day it's becoming more obvious that Davis made a calamitous mistake in agreeing to the EU's agenda and timescales. That's what you get for being woefully under-prepared.

With each passing day it's becoming more obvious.....

.....that you and I live in parallel universes....

Don't you ever get tired of being such a doom monger? Especially as you've spent 18 months with your doom monger claims being proven wrong....

A_Medium_Size_Jock

setmefree2 wrote: »

No worries.

We will keep beavering away at our trade relations with others...they can't make us stay in the customs union.....so when we're ready, we can leave....

....I'm guessing EU citizens have mostly stopped coming here in large numbers....so staying in the single market as a transition shouldn't be too problematic either...

I'd call that having our cake and eating it....

The dissenters just don't get this though. Or can't.Or won't.

Like we could just walk away & the EU can legally do zero.
All this "but ...... but ......... but ....... " from the pro-EU brigade is just that; bluster.
Any money lost on intra-EU trade difficulties might just be worth compensating for what the EU are so desperately trying to wheedle out of us - plus (as you say) we can freely pursue trade relations with others.

Those of power within the EU surely know this.

No it is not what I am recommending; it is however a statement of fact as borne out by many previously within these forums.

Thrugelmir wrote: »

The EU's timescales are well documented..........

Arguably it's the EU that have a large hole in their wallet. That no one is prepared to fill. Why should they when the Uk provided hand outs.

Ah, but you can't let a little thing like fact get in the way of a good ol'-fashioned bit of bluster.
Still, as the saying goes:
“Should you find yourself the victim of other peoples bitterness, ignorance, smallness, or insecurities, remember this; things could be much worse. You could be one of them!”

Conrad

setmefree2 wrote: »

With each passing day it's becoming more obvious.....

.....that you and I live in parallel universes....

Don't you ever get tired of being such a doom monger? Especially as you've spent 18 months with your doom monger claims being proven wrong....

James O'Brien on LBC said this morning only a tiny minority at the top feel life in Britain is getting better.

Where do you even begin with a mind-set like this?

Through business every week I meet young couples with ordinary jobs making £70k+ that are full of optimism. Slightly older couples with young kids, very nice cars, nice house, building a future, just ordinary people such as the woman who started on the bottom rung at BP and now finds herself a PA where they are putting over £1k p m in her pension


Wherever I go in the Med I see Brits are by far usually the largest group vacationing or buying property. I don't see an army of gloom filled people, I see ordinary people enjoying life and making hay.


I can go right across this and neighbouring counties and find a huge bulk of people comfortably off, from the retired 53 y/o Copper on a nice pension now doing 2 days a week security consultancy to the women I know that are self employed doing things such as office relocations making a mint.


The bloke who goes to festivals just as reading with a pizza trailer making tens of thousands in under a week. The bloke with ice cream vans and buy to let property and a 31.5 m house - ordinary salt of the earth types. The woman that owns a small garden centre sold it off to developer for millions.


The over cleaner who makes about £150 p day having retired from the Army at 42 with a decent pension.


My Uncle a teacher and his wife a Midwife, mortgage paid off, nice joint income, not a money care in the world


Umpteen people I know own more than 1 property, they live anywhere from Salisbury to Cambridge, Saffron Walden to Epsom, Chichester to Cheltenham, Worcester to Colchester, Brighton to Plymouth, Evesham to Halifax.


Our friends from Stoke, he's working on NHS building projects, she's a saleswoman for a corporate hotel chain - again ordinary working class folk, living in an unremarkable house and pulling in comfortable incomes.


This tiny minority that feel good about the future, sure do get about

Do the likes of O'Brien not see all the Location Location type properties - ordinary people building lives?

A_Medium_Size_Jock

James O'Brien said that?
What a surprise.
He obviously didn't read what I posted about a few days ago:

Happiness levels have ticked up across the UK, according to official figures on the nation's wellbeing.

http://www.cityam.com/272716/surprise-happiness-levels-up-despite-brexit-trump-and-2017
Not just happiness, either:

And anxiety levels remain the same, based on data for the year to the end of March from the Office for National Statistics (ONS), which indicates that satisfaction with life overall is on the rise

Conrad

A_Medium_Size_Jock wrote: »

Ah, but you can't let a little thing like fact get in the way of a good ol'-fashioned bit of bluster.

We're up against profound doom mongering.
Again James OB said today and every day for weeks 'there's not a person in the land that doesn't realise Brexit is a disaster, the truth is undeniable'.


To rub the salt in this is augmented with claiming his side are the ones on the side of the facts and evidence. Over and again repeated.

setmefree2

Conrad wrote: »

Again James OB said today and every day for weeks 'there's not a person in the land that doesn't realise Brexit is a disaster, the truth is undeniable'.

Parallel universe.

The reality.

In summary, there hasn’t been any vast sea-change in attitudes towards Brexit. Most people who voted Remain would do so again, most people who voted Leave would do so again. There is some movement back and forth, but it mostly cancels itself out. If you look at the two most frequently repeated questions, the BMG question on referendum VI and the YouGov question on whether the decision was right or wrong, then there does appear to be movement towards Remain… but it is as yet pretty small and pretty slow. In short, there are some “bregrets”, but not enough to really get excited about.

http://ukpollingreport.co.uk/

A_Medium_Size_Jock

And here's another example of why Eurocrats are so obsessed with a Brexit financial settlement:
"EU spending commitments at record high of 238bn euros: watchdog"

EU spending in 2016 amounted to around 267 euros for every citizen in the bloc of around 500 million people.

http://www.france24.com/en/20170928-eu-spending-commitments-record-high-238bn-euros-watchdog