Permit not Visible

Ruff-Diamond

Hi from a Newbie!

I have looked through the Newbie sticky and tried searching for a thread for this, but so many come up (300!) that I can't see the wood for the trees.

My question is - in respect of a charge issued by a private company, what are the grounds for appeal if a permit is issued, displayed on the car, then drops, or is blown, out of sight without the driver's knowledge?

In the case in point, the PCN describes the contravention as "no valid parking permit on visible display".

Redx

there are no "grounds for appeal" on the above "story"

the grounds for appeal are the usual ones set out in the newbies sticky thread, these will include the following

SIGNAGE
AST agreement (primacy of contract)
NO LANDHOLDER AUTHORITY
NOT THE SAME AS BEAVIS
POFA2012 failures or errors
Code Of Practice errors or failures

so look at recent 2017 appeals if you have a popla code (BPA members only) and draft a typical tenancy type of appeal where something similar has happened (or just not on display)

and usually the "driver" would not be dealing with it, only the KEEPER deals with it , staying as KEEPER and never revealing who the driver may have been

Fruitcake

What is the name of the PPC please? This will determine which appeal template from the NEWBIES you should use to make the initial appeal, and also what to do next.

Ruff-Diamond

Thanks - PCN issuer was P4Parking

Redx

BPA AOS member so follow the BPA advice in the NEWBIES sticky thread, post #2

Geoff1963

"no valid parking permit on visible display"

This is in any case easily fabricated by bad lighting or angle.

So ignore that, and follow all the advice about other ways to challenge it. You don't get 10k "Thanks" by being often wrong.

Ruff-Diamond

Great - thanks for your help guys. I'll let you know how I get on.

waamo

This outfit has form for telling huge whoppers in response to appeals so please keep us updated with any replies you get.

Half_way

why are you displaying a permit?
is this a residential parking space or similar?

Ruff-Diamond

Hi Half Way.

It was a temporary visitor's permit and the car was in a designated visitor's space within the development.

nosferatu1001

What does the lease / AST / rental agreeemtn / whatever say about parking, access to communal spaces, right to quiet enjoyment, etc?