Apcoa pcn

Coupon-mad

pappa_golf wrote: »

they will not give a POPLa code , the BPA has deemed that POPLa is non aplicable on railway land , you can however contact the BPA and state that no reply has been forthcoming from your appeal and it has been passed to debt collectors

Well they've said this for Indigo (who seem to have ZZPS and WH pulling the strings, some might observe, and money talks).

But I've not seen it said about APCOA, who do NOT issue 'penalties' like Indigo like to claim to issue. IMHO, if it's a parking charge notice from a BPA member, then the appellant still gets POPLA.

Complain to both Steve Clark of the BPA and David Dunford of the DVLA. Emails posted recently by Umkomaas, so click on his username to find that post.

pappa_golf

so some railway land is bylaw and some is ,,,,,,,,,,,

Coupon-mad

Yep.

Some parking charges are contractual = POPLA (if a BPA member). So I think APCOA fit this bill - complaints all round.

Some hide behind byelaws and call it a ''penalty'' = no POPLA because the BPA/DVLA have been (allegedy) persuaded by some hefty stakeholders who IMHO, they won't want to upset. Flipping heck money talks in this rotten game.

pappa_golf

but no matter which way you look at it , the only people that can claim money is the TOC , and the PPCs know this , so why are the DVLA divulging info to a company for a non existant reason

I know this can go on for hours , but at the end of the day ,,,,,,,,,,, money talks

Coupon-mad

Yep.

Just noticed this proves APCOA are still issuing POPLA codes on (Airport) byelaws land:

https://forums.moneysavingexpert.com/discussion/5731349

...and I can't recall any threads (Railway or Airport or otherwise) which show APCOA being allowed not to offer POPLA.

pappa_golf

is it worth returning a copy of the message that POPLa/bpa gave regarding indigo and RAILWAY LAND , and asking why APOCO can issue aPOPLa code but not indigo?

ask how the land differs , that should make them scratch there brains for a minute trying to compose &*&* dhit

"I can confirm Indigo Park Solutions are members of the BPA and an Operator under the Approved Operator Scheme.

The British Parking Association (BPA) has campaigned at length for clarity on the Clauses in Railway Byelaws pertaining to parking to be improved. Government committed at a meeting in January to provide clarification but due to various circumstances, some beyond their control, this has not been forthcoming.

We firmly believe that effective legislation that is not open to interpretation is vital in ensuring a fair environment for both our members and motorists. That is why we have taken the decision to temporarily remove the requirement for our members, who manage parking at railway locations under the Byelaws, to offer an independent appeal via POPLA.

Motorists who breach the advertised Terms & Conditions and receive a Parking Charge Notice (PCN) but who believe it has been unfairly issued will still be able to appeal to the operator. If however they remain unhappy following an appeal’s rejection the final decision can be made at a Magistrates Court.

In the meantime we will continue to work with Government to achieve a resolution to Railway Byelaws Clauses."

Coupon-mad

I think any mention of byelaws muddies the waters here. This is not a byelaws case.

I reckon the OP simply complains to the DVLA and BPA that APCOA issued a parking charge (not a penalty) and have failed to provide a POPLA code in response to an appeal.

Only Indigo call their charges 'penalties' and only Indigo have twisted themselves away from POPLA.

pappa_golf

I received a PCN for the reasons below. i spoke to GWR about this on the phone strongly and they kept referring to someone but said there were no managers available, they said to appeal as they could do nothing about it. they then told me to email details to them and someone should look into it. email below.

i am in england. i am looking for help for the relevant disability laws they have broken aand have not recived a NTK yet.

thank you in advance.
Dear Sir
REF phone call 16/08/2017.!!! !!! !!! !!! !!! !!! PCN: GW60110020
!!! !!! !!! On 14th Aug we arrived at Kemble station for the 1550 to Cheltenham. My Wife is severely disabled with secondary progressive Multiple Sclerosis and needs help to get on the train.
! On arriving at the Swindon to Chetenham side of the station (Platform 2) there were no parking spaces available,

sorry missing something , GWR , railway carpark ?

Coupon-mad

Yes but it's not a byelaws charge. A 'parking charge notice' isn't one. Indigo moved the goalposts and sidestepped POPLA, by calling theirs a 'penalty', but APCOA never have done, nor have NCP.

So I think the complaint simply needs to say 'oi where's my POPLA code' at this stage.

pappa_golf

sorry , not bylaw charge ?

correct , its a begging letter by a private company for parking on land that comes under bylaw rulings

issued by a company that signed an agreenent that they would only work on aplicable land

the BPA carefully omitted the words "bylaw land"

The Code does not cover on-street or off-street car
parking control and enforcement led by local authorities
and regulated by the Road Traffic Regulation Act 1984,
the Road Traffic Act 1991 and the Traffic Management
Act 2004. These are covered by detailed statutory control
and regulation


however bylaws are mentioned in this paper http://www.britishparking.co.uk/write/Documents/Consultations/Scotland_Penalty_Clauses_-_BPA_response_28.02.17.pdf