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Dear,
I borrowed a car from my brother in law to move my stuff. I parked in front of the building -might be considered as pavement although delivery vehicles and lorries park there to offload.
On that early hour on Friday morning (8:30), I went up for few minutes to take my furniture in the flat. As I came back down, I found a ticket. I applied to P4Parking to explain that I had just moved in and O needed to offload my stuff but they rejected my claim.
I would like to appeal to POPLA. Can you please advise?
Here is their reply:
"Further to and in response to your appeal, P4Parking has been contracted by the landowners or agents
thereof to ensure that vehicles are only allowed to be parked on the land with authority.
This authority is dependent upon the rules as laid down by the landowners or bodies acting on behalf of
such estate, land or development. P4Parking has the authority to charge any vehicle that is parked
contrary to these regulations.
It is the responsibility of the person parking to demonstrate the correct display of the relevant permit
and or adherence to the rules governing the parking of the vehicle(s) within the grounds. If in doubt,
P4Parking operates 5 days a week Monday to Friday from 9:00am till 5:00pm a manned control-room
whose staff are willing and able to advice on the validity of your parking prior to any charge being
issued. This contact number is available on any P4Parking warning notice and is placed throughout the
private grounds as well as being on all permit documents issued by and on behalf of P4Parking.
The area where your vehicle was charged has a policy to which all attending vehicles must park within
the pre-informed parking criteria. The contravention you have been breached with specifically is for:
Parked On The Pavement
Although I sympathies with your concerns, at the time of your vehicle contravention and subsequent
issuance with a Parking Charge Notice the vehicle was in breach of the above and therefore, correctly
charged under the power given to us by the landowner. When parking on private land, a motorist freely
enters into an agreement to abide by the conditions of parking in return for permission to park. It is the
motorist’s responsibility to ensure that he or she abides by any clearly displayed conditions of parking.
It is also the duty of the driver to read signage placed on the development.
With regards to your appeal of the parking charge issued and having inspected all data available, which
includes your letter and contents of appeal, photographs taken at the time of the charge issued by the
warden and all additional 3rd party information available to us, I must make the following points very
clearly.
It is the duty of the driver to read the signage placed on the development. The signs on the
development clearly state "All vehicles parked within these private grounds and not displaying an
authorised parking permit or parked outside of this development’s parking regulations will be charged
via the issuance of a parking charge notice. Enforcement may take place at any time”
Having read your statement, it is the motorist responsibility to read the warning notices on the
development and abide to the parking regulations and adhere to the rules governing the parking of the
vehicle(s) within the grounds. In your statement you said that you had recently moved into a property
within this development and was still moving items, you parked in a loading bay and was no more than
10 minutes, on returning to your vehicle you found that it had received this parking charge notice. On
this development vehicle's are only permitted to park in a marked bay. After examination of the pictorial
evidence taken by the operative at the time this parking charge notice was issued, your vehicle can be
seen parked on the pavement which is not a loading bay. Parking on pavements is not permitted
anywhere in London unless there is a sign advising it is ok to do so. It causes obstruction and
hindrance to pedestrians, the visually impaired, wheelchair users, people with prams and pushchairs.
This parking charge notice was issued correctly. The patrol officer has carried out his duties correctly
as instructed by the landowner. Motorists parking on private land must comply with the advertised
terms and conditions, therefore the patrol officer had reasonable cause to issue a parking charge notice
on your vehicle.
Therefore the parking charge notice was issued correctly according to the instructions set out by the
landowners, please see attached pictorial evidence below.
After careful consideration I must advise you that your appeal for this PCN has been DENIED.
We are therefore unable to cancel the Parking Charge Notice as it was issued correctly. We have now
extended the discounted payment period by 14 days to allow you time to pay the discounted settlement
amount. Please now make payment of £60 to reach us by 25/07/2017 or £100 to reach us by
08/08/2017. We must advise you that once the discounted settlement rate passes it will not be offered
again.
You have now reached the end of our internal appeals procedure, you have the legal right to submit a
second appeal to POPLA.
P4Parking cannot deal with any subsequent appeal relating to this parking charge notice.
Furthermore, it is our duty to inform you that if you should choose to submit to POPLA (Parking on
Private Land Appeals), you will lose all the opportunities to pay the discount rate. If you want to appeal,
you must do so within 28 days of the date this notice of rejection has been sent.
If your appeal is refused then the full parking charge will be due as the time for any early payment
discount offered by the operator will have passed. Do not pay the charge if you are appealing. If your
appeal is allowed you have nothing to pay. If your appeal is refused, in order to avoid any further action
by the operator, you should then pay the full parking charge within 28 days."
Thanks
KR
I borrowed a car from my brother in law to move my stuff. I parked in front of the building -might be considered as pavement although delivery vehicles and lorries park there to offload.
On that early hour on Friday morning (8:30), I went up for few minutes to take my furniture in the flat. As I came back down, I found a ticket. I applied to P4Parking to explain that I had just moved in and O needed to offload my stuff but they rejected my claim.
I would like to appeal to POPLA. Can you please advise?
Here is their reply:
"Further to and in response to your appeal, P4Parking has been contracted by the landowners or agents
thereof to ensure that vehicles are only allowed to be parked on the land with authority.
This authority is dependent upon the rules as laid down by the landowners or bodies acting on behalf of
such estate, land or development. P4Parking has the authority to charge any vehicle that is parked
contrary to these regulations.
It is the responsibility of the person parking to demonstrate the correct display of the relevant permit
and or adherence to the rules governing the parking of the vehicle(s) within the grounds. If in doubt,
P4Parking operates 5 days a week Monday to Friday from 9:00am till 5:00pm a manned control-room
whose staff are willing and able to advice on the validity of your parking prior to any charge being
issued. This contact number is available on any P4Parking warning notice and is placed throughout the
private grounds as well as being on all permit documents issued by and on behalf of P4Parking.
The area where your vehicle was charged has a policy to which all attending vehicles must park within
the pre-informed parking criteria. The contravention you have been breached with specifically is for:
Parked On The Pavement
Although I sympathies with your concerns, at the time of your vehicle contravention and subsequent
issuance with a Parking Charge Notice the vehicle was in breach of the above and therefore, correctly
charged under the power given to us by the landowner. When parking on private land, a motorist freely
enters into an agreement to abide by the conditions of parking in return for permission to park. It is the
motorist’s responsibility to ensure that he or she abides by any clearly displayed conditions of parking.
It is also the duty of the driver to read signage placed on the development.
With regards to your appeal of the parking charge issued and having inspected all data available, which
includes your letter and contents of appeal, photographs taken at the time of the charge issued by the
warden and all additional 3rd party information available to us, I must make the following points very
clearly.
It is the duty of the driver to read the signage placed on the development. The signs on the
development clearly state "All vehicles parked within these private grounds and not displaying an
authorised parking permit or parked outside of this development’s parking regulations will be charged
via the issuance of a parking charge notice. Enforcement may take place at any time”
Having read your statement, it is the motorist responsibility to read the warning notices on the
development and abide to the parking regulations and adhere to the rules governing the parking of the
vehicle(s) within the grounds. In your statement you said that you had recently moved into a property
within this development and was still moving items, you parked in a loading bay and was no more than
10 minutes, on returning to your vehicle you found that it had received this parking charge notice. On
this development vehicle's are only permitted to park in a marked bay. After examination of the pictorial
evidence taken by the operative at the time this parking charge notice was issued, your vehicle can be
seen parked on the pavement which is not a loading bay. Parking on pavements is not permitted
anywhere in London unless there is a sign advising it is ok to do so. It causes obstruction and
hindrance to pedestrians, the visually impaired, wheelchair users, people with prams and pushchairs.
This parking charge notice was issued correctly. The patrol officer has carried out his duties correctly
as instructed by the landowner. Motorists parking on private land must comply with the advertised
terms and conditions, therefore the patrol officer had reasonable cause to issue a parking charge notice
on your vehicle.
Therefore the parking charge notice was issued correctly according to the instructions set out by the
landowners, please see attached pictorial evidence below.
After careful consideration I must advise you that your appeal for this PCN has been DENIED.
We are therefore unable to cancel the Parking Charge Notice as it was issued correctly. We have now
extended the discounted payment period by 14 days to allow you time to pay the discounted settlement
amount. Please now make payment of £60 to reach us by 25/07/2017 or £100 to reach us by
08/08/2017. We must advise you that once the discounted settlement rate passes it will not be offered
again.
You have now reached the end of our internal appeals procedure, you have the legal right to submit a
second appeal to POPLA.
P4Parking cannot deal with any subsequent appeal relating to this parking charge notice.
Furthermore, it is our duty to inform you that if you should choose to submit to POPLA (Parking on
Private Land Appeals), you will lose all the opportunities to pay the discount rate. If you want to appeal,
you must do so within 28 days of the date this notice of rejection has been sent.
If your appeal is refused then the full parking charge will be due as the time for any early payment
discount offered by the operator will have passed. Do not pay the charge if you are appealing. If your
appeal is allowed you have nothing to pay. If your appeal is refused, in order to avoid any further action
by the operator, you should then pay the full parking charge within 28 days."
Thanks
KR
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Comments
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Motorists parking on private land must comply with the advertised
terms and conditions,
Not if they conflict with a superior right such as a lease or tenancy agreement. You probably have rights of access over communal land in your lease/AST.
Read this
https://bmpa.zendesk.com/hc/en-us/articles/213077149-Loading-and-Unloading-Jopson-v-Homeguard-2016-
What exactly does your lease say about parking/vehicular access?You never know how far you can go until you go too far.0 -
read up on the JOPSON case
if you have a POPLA code, use it by drafting up an appeal
read your lease and see what is said about parking , loading and unloading (especially as regards to JOPSON)
was the vehicle there for more than say 10 to 20 minutes ?
or only a "few" minutes like you said ?
as the car was "borrowed" , did you appeal as DRIVER ?
ie:- did you give away who was driving and respond to the windscreen ticket ?0
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