I have read the newbie thread but think my case is different... help

LauraV_2

Hi
I am VERY new to this so I apologise now for my lack of knowledge etc
I received a PCN on 30/06/17 from Parking & Property Management ltd for not displaying a valid permit.
As I had arrived home from work with numerous bags to carry I did forget to display the permit. When I remembered around 45 minutes later I rushed down to my car to find the PCN, however the location is incorrect. Believing that I had grounds for appeal I completed their appeal form on their website. I did do some research online and this is what I put:
'I wish to formally challenge the above PCN.
The PCN states that the vehicle was parked in ‘****’. The car in question was never parked in the stated location at the mentioned time or date. Therefore the contravention did not occur.'
Today I received their judgement, which of course they have refused my appeal. They stated that due to the photographic evidence they have that the location on the PCN was not relevant.
Being a complete novice to this I have most probably made errors in my process but wondered whether I had grounds to take it to the IAS?
I look forward to hearing from you all

Redx

everybody thinks "their case is different"

sorry to say , it isnt , its all been heard , seen and done over until blackened and withered many times before

the NEWBIES sticky thread tells you alll you need to know , including the kangaroo court known as the IAS

doesnt matter what your appeal said , they almost ALWAYS refuse appeals because there is no profit in accepting it !!

so doomed to failure from the word go

they tend to put errors into the windscreen ticket to fire up the emotions of those they are sc@mming into hasty , badly worded appeals that dob in the driver or blab

you are now at the impasse stage , where you IGNORE for 6 years unless you get an LBC or MCOL in the post (ignore the DCA letters in the meantime)

if the PPC wishes to try court , they will do so

meanwhile , contact the MA or landholder and demand a cancellation

and if its your parking space, dig out your lease and see what it says (or does not say) about parking

I can assure you this same scenario has featured on here dozens of times, the advice is the same

APPEAL ONCE

then IGNORE

complain to landholder or the MA

come back if an LBC or MCOL arrive

and google JOPSON and read about her case

ps:- if CM below advises different , go with her plan , but bear what I said in mind

Coupon-mad

If the location is completely wrong, I would actually try IAS, for once! But with our help.

So how wrong are we talking, not just a small error?

The_Deep

If you do some reading you will see that your case is not at all different. Read some of this stuff.


https://www.google.co.uk/?gws_rd=ssl#q=own+space+parking+fine&spf=1499633794173

LauraV_2

Firstly thank you for your replies.
I did apologise initially for my lack of knowledge... I am completely clueless!
Coupon-mad - yes the location is completely wrong/ different town.

LauraV_2

And in my hast I did disclose the driver details ��

Redx

check what your lease says (or fails to mention) , about parking

and in future, do not blab !!

Umkomaas

I have read the newbie thread but think my case is different... help

Really? Half the threads we deal with open up with a similar sentence. The reality in almost every one is a firm case of 'No it's not!' It's a fair indication that the poster doesn't understand the issues. We've seen it, we've been there, we know what we're doing, so please follow advice.

However, the reality in dealing with an IPC AOS operator is that there is no realistic prospect of having the charge independently assessed by a second stage appeals service, no realistic prospect of getting it cancelled by the IAS. The IAS is simply too heavily biased towards the parking operators. The have promised their operators that they will reject 85% of all cases. How 'independent' is that? You have little or no chance via an appeal.

The only process you now have for an independent review of your case is via a Judge at the small claims court. Unfortunately whether you get there or not is entirely in the hands of the PPC in terms of whether they decide to issue court proceedings against you. They have 6 years to do so.

Come back if you receive a Letter Before Claim, or real court papers.

Today I received their judgement, which of course they have refused my appeal. They stated that due to the photographic evidence they have that the location on the PCN was not relevant.

Without giving the precise details in the PCN, or your specific location, can you give us an example of how incorrectly the location is recorded?

Please also follow Redx's advice on rattling the cage of the MA/landowner.

LauraV_2

I appreciate that almost every case is not different however for someone as clueless as me the newbie thread is very daunting and confusing.
The location on the PCN and the actual location are 15miles apart.
I would rattle the cage of the landowners, however the original landowners wiped their hands of the site and it's now under many different companies - Residents association, management company etc.
A new parking system was introduced in January this year and it has all been linked to our lease - as many other residents have queried it already.

LauraV_2

Redx - I definitely won't be blabbing again

Redx

so what does your 2017 lease say about the parking ?

word for word please , no more beating around the bush , give us something to work with

and the current management company should be able to cancel it , hence why we tell you to badger them , because if you want it gone , they are the best way to achieve it