Pay and display patrolled car parks

Half_way

Displaying a ticket in a Pay and display car park with ANPR+input registration number gives you a receipt of payment,.
More importantly its also another revenue stream for thye PPC, if the decide to send someone to inspect the car park, they can issue parking charge notices if you havent displayed the ticket according to their made up rules - ie tickets must be placed on the dashboard, on the drivers side, so if you place the ticket on the dashboard - on the passenger side that'll be £100 thank you very much.

Instead of getting into the inns and outs too much, have you received a parking charge notice? and if so what for? what parking company issued it? and in who's car park?

Geoff1963

a charge should've been given on the day . . . Upon leaving most would discard the ticket, so they have no proof they paid and displayed

If they want to "charge" you for not displaying, they should take a photograph.

Being able to produce a ticket which was valid for the time ( unless it has the registration number ) doesn't prove that was the one bought for that vehicle. If they always put a penalty notice on the car, it would be easy enough to flag down someone leaving, and buy their ticket off them.

I agree with the OP that parking companies are a bunch of sharks , I'm trying to preempt the argument that they would make.

Guys_Dad

You will lose on the point you are concentrating on. I understand now the point you are making but having a "belt and braces" system, if I can refer to it as such, is not in contravention of anything in POFA or a PPC CoP.

In fact, printing a ticket tells the motorist when they must be back by.

Just how over time were you, as there may be some wriggle room on Grace periods?

Kat_2017

Half_way, there is no receipt of payment when the keeper gets a fine through the post over a week later-that's what I'm trying to get at, the driver should've been given a charge on the day-after fulfilling the terms and conditions (pay and display) and leaving the car park, they should then be able to safely assume that their has been no breach. It's Euro, yes there is a charge for overstaying-but the charge goes by number plate recognition of when the car left the car park. I don't know who's car park just a city centre one (not for a shop or hospital if thats what you mean)

Geoff-pretty sure the licence plate is stated on the ticket.

Redx

Geoff1963 wrote: »

If they want to "charge" you for not displaying, they should take a photograph.

Being able to produce a ticket which was valid for the time ( unless it has the registration number ) doesn't prove that was the one bought for that vehicle. If they always put a penalty notice on the car, it would be easy enough to flag down someone leaving, and buy their ticket off them.

.

they cannot and wont do this for one simple reason

just as they cannot "fine" you , they cannot issue a "penalty" notice either

the one thing they CAN do is issue a PARKING CHARGE NOTICE, that is the exact wording that is used, but the common term for this is INVOICE , which is why we tell people its not a "fine" and not a "penalty" and I for one can never understand why people use those words , whereas to me a bucket is a bucket , not a pail , not a container , its a bucket (and in private parking its a PARKING Charge Notice , or INVOICE)

far too many incorrect words being used in this thread , which does not and will not help at popla or in a court of law

I saw QI recently where they said the english language was one of the hardest to learn in the world , at over half a million words , whereas german was something like a third in total

as for not having the paid for ticket a week later (like say EXCEL at the infamous PEEL CENTRE) , they actually do foot patrols there looking for people in blue badge bays , or wheels over the line , tickets not displayed properly etc

but its primarily an ANPR controlled car park where the occupant of a vehicle purchases a ticket and puts in the VRM (anything could br put in at this point , and has been , or nothing at all) and failures trigger a pcn in the post a week or more later (doesnt matter about any foot patrols) - this site has featured on tv , in the papers and parking pranksters blogs many times in the last 6 years

but most sites are not foot patrolled , so ANPR and possibly ticket machines or entry units inside businesses etc do the work, usually the customer is doing that validation work (in a cinema , or supermarket , or gym , or swimming pool , or restaurant , or hotel , etc)

here is what MSE said recently about that particular topic about pay and display tickets

http://www.moneysavingexpert.com/team-blog/2017/05/30/throwing-pay-display-ticket-away-use-cost-100/

Kat_2017

Red-I think people naturally assume it's a "fine" when they first get it, not having dealt with anything similar before. I know it's a bug bear of the people on the forum to have people call it a "fine" or penalty or whatever and having to correct them- I for one will be incredibly careful at the popla level with the words I use if it does reach that. I think we all understand what everyone means though, it's a private car park so it's not a fine but an invoice/charge whatever. They're trying to get money out of people that's the bottom line.

Thanks for the link that is the sort of thing I was after-VERY interesting thanks! Like that link says VERY important for one to keep hold of their ticket for a few weeks. I mean these guys are so unscrupulous-what's to stop them doctoring their own records and claiming the driver didn't pay at all? If the ticket has been thrown away driver has no proof.

Kat_2017

Out of interest-what happens in the case of entering a licence plate twice? say if you entered a licence plate number on one machine but realised you couldn't pay the correct amount. Left to get the correct change and then went to another machine, entered reg again and paid? I'm now thinking that might be what the parking charge is about. The first machine is recording licence plate but no payment...even though it was paid with the same licence plate on another machine, is that enough to screw their system up and get you a charge?

Fruitcake

Use of ANPR itself is enough to generate a parking charge, let alone trying to confuse it by paying or attempting to pay twice.

The UK Gov recognises that ANPR is seriously flawed and has prohibited its use in local government, councils, and local authority car parks as a result.

The cynic in me (and I'm sure many others) is that the parking scammers use ANPR because the known flaws generate their best income.

Guys_Dad

The point is that even if the car park is patrolled, it is totally unreasonable to assume that the warden can check all cars within, say, a 5 minute cycle Or even 10 minutes.

So it is perfectly feasible that someone's time could expire when he was elsewhere in his monitoring cycle.

Let's move the scenario to a hospital. Someone is on a monitor but also nurses have a 30 minute round and are continuously on the cycle. So why have a monitor on the patient as well? Because the patient could have trouble when the nurse was elsewhere on her round.

Perhaps not the best analogy, but nevertheless it shows where two methods for monitoring a siuation are perfectly reasonable.

Umkomaas

I mean these guys are so unscrupulous-what's to stop them doctoring their own records

Surely you can't seriously mean that? Scurrilous accusation!

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3229165/Is-PROOF-private-parking-firms-scamming-motorists-Drivers-say-timings-photos-doctored-legally-parked-cars-issued-fines.html

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/crime/11858473/Parking-firm-UKPC-admits-faking-tickets-to-fine-drivers.html

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-35253759

Oh, wait ........