My residence - can anyone help please

smoot

Can anyone help please? I don't think I've ever been so angry.
Where I live they hired a new (private) company to do parking. I received a letter about it saying they have given new permits last week. I then emailed them (estates management) and the company to say that I have not received any permits. Estates management still have not replied. The company replied to say they did give me one and to pay for one if I want another (this was only received day before yesterday). I replied yesterday saying I just want the original permit that I was supposed to receive. Then overnight they have given me a ticket!:mad::mad:

What can I do about this? Who is the ombudsman I can report them to? The ticket language is pretty scary about taking me to court if I do not pay

Half_way

I'm mobile are moment, but in short eggy are you worrying about permits?
what does your lease say?
Tell management, in writing or email that you do not consent to a third party using YOUR space/land as a profit making venture from an un regulated company and as such will not be taking party in the permit scheme.

Keep a copy of this letter/email, if you then get demands in the post to pay the parking charge notice, then it could be argued that a breach of the data protection act has taken place by the agents of the management company.
Also it will protect you should the parking company try anything in the courts.

continue to park and use your space, as long as your lease is clear you can ignore any signs that ask for permits.

on a side note what do the signs say exactly?

Quentin

smoot wrote: »

What can I do about this? Who is the ombudsman I can report them to? The ticket language is pretty scary about taking me to court if I do not pay

Everyone is politely asked to read up the newbies faq thread at the top of the page before starting a thread


Read up now to learn the game you are caught up in.


You will see there is no "ombudsman" - the ppcs mostly belong to a choice of 2 associations which are just gestures!


The newbies thread will guide you through the 2 avenues you have to follow (complain to your agent to get it cancelled AND appeal the charge with the ppc

Umkomaas

Which parking company please? It will help give you more targeted advice. We have more than likely dealt with them (successfully) in the past.

I don't think I've ever been so angry.

Use that anger rush into dealing with this systematically to not only deal with your ticket, but to help the residents get shot of the PPC which will no doubt cause many of them considerable grief in the future.

A few flyers through letterboxes to tell residents there's no need whatsoever to pay these charges if they are ticketed - they should come here for expert advice. Start a residents' Facebook Group to compare notes and determine group actions. Hit your MA hard for allowing scammers to be loose (often in the dead of night) around your cars and properties.

Do you have freehold, leasehold or tenancy status? Have you checked your deeds, lease agreement or tenancy agreement for your rights to park a vehicle(s)?

Loadsofchildren123

Are you a leaseholder or a tenant?


Read hairray's thread where I did Letters Before Claim to the freeholder and the Management Company and the PPC threatening to join the first two to any proceedings brought by the PPC, and threatening all of them with claims for trespass, the first two for a breach of the quiet enjoyment covenant, and a DPA breach.


The letters set out the legal position in relation to freeholders/MCs who try to introduce new parking regs on residents.


It's slightly different if you are a tenant, but it's worth reading that thread anyway to educate yourself.


If you are a tenant, you need to go back to the source document - ie your landlord's lease - to see what provisions there are about parking and introduction of new "regulations". You may need to get a copy of this from Land Reg if your landlord doesn't have it to hand (which is unlikely).


In short, the freeholder/MC probably has rights to introduce new regulations about the running of an estate, but such new regs amount to a variation of the lease so can only be done by way of a formal variation (which will not have been done), plus the freeholder/MC will have NO power whatsoever to impose upon you a contractual relationship with a 3rd party, with a "charge" for any failure to comply (the only things they can charge for under a lease will be the defined ground rent and service charge).

Loadsofchildren123

You need to heap the pressure on the freeholder/management company to get this cancelled.
They will refuse.
Keep plugging on. Hairray's pcn, which they'd all refused to help him with, got miraculously cancelled days after he sent the LBCs.

The_Deep

If the MA are member of a trade association, (ARMA), complaining that, by apaointing these shysters, they are not acting in the best interests of the residents.

smoot

Thanks guys. My appeal was rejected. I'll complain to ARMA. I don't know whether there's any connection between Warwick Estates management (MA) and Parking and Property Management (parking company), but considering less than half of the spaces are occupied, and you need a remote to get into the property, I do not think their presence here was ever needed. I wonder if there's a link between the 2 companies and this may be useful info for anyone in future. Thanks for the help guys.

waamo

IPC members so appealing is a waste of time.

More information can be found here http://www.bmpa.eu/companydata/Parking_and_Property_Management.html

Coupon-mad

As long as you don't pay.

Carry on rattling cages. And please complain to your MP to support the Bill coming through:

https://forums.moneysavingexpert.com/discussion/comment/72869191#Comment_72869191

You need other people on your side and your MP would be useful, as well as spreading the word gradually through Parliament, to set the scene for the Bill.

Everyone should complain to their MP about private parking operators.

patman99

Did you check your lease as suggested a few posts back?.

If so, did it make any mention of authority to appoint parking management companies?.

Warwick Estates do not have a good reputation in the world of residential management. I believe the PPC you mentioned is also owned by the same couple who own WE.

There is another thread on here whereby the poster has been waging war on these idiots for quite. Some time.