Court summons for civil enforcement ltd

Coupon-mad

So I should mention that we bought a ticket before leaving?

Yes, using the words I gave you which were based on your own, but tweaked. It is vital that your defence actually states that payment WAS made for the stay. Just don't imply which of you was the driver.

Assume that you didn't say who was driving out of the two of you, and leave #3 in.

eits88

Thank you coupon-mad, I will indeed assume I didn't mention it. I did ask earlier in the thread if I was doomed if I did mention who the driver was and I thought the answer was no. I do hope that if I did mention it in my appeal, it won't hinder my chances of defending myself in court, should it get there. I plan to document everything that happens at every stage of these proceedings so as to help anyone else in the same position as me.

I will repost a tweaked version shortly, taking into account the comments received on the first draft.

Regards

Quentin

You aren't doomed if you admitted to being the driver. It just rules out POFA defences


But if you did admit it in writing and change your story now in writing you can expect them to draw it to the judges attention and point out you are prepared to lie

eits88

I see quentin, so perhaps I could leave that out? Or maybe is there a way to reword it?

Coupon-mad

I would leave it in and not worry about it. You will see their evidence at WS stage if they proceed that far and then you will know (and can adjust your stance & main defence point, at the hearing, if needed). I do not see CEL taking these ones to hearings, I reckon they are just after getting people to pay.

eits88

Yes it's obvious they are getting hundreds or thousands of people at each stage to pay out of fear. My initial thought was to pay when the court papers came. I'm sure people pay at the debt collection stage, the letter before court, the court letter... So they've probably factored in a few defences and a few payers, and overall it's probably working out well for them... Thanks for getting back to me.

What is WS stage?

Quentin

Read up on court procedure in the links you will find in the newbies faq thread

Coupon-mad

WS = Witness Statement, some weeks before the hearing, if the case progresses. I honestly believe they are seeing lots of victims blink, whereas we know they shy away from hearings when well defended.

eits88

Thanks Coupon, so this is after the questionnaire... Like a game of poker is it? They try to take it as far as they can and see if poor member of the public will crack and pay up this ridiculous sum.

So is WS something I need to be concerned about?

Quentin

Yes. If this progressed to s hearing