Disabled person deeply concerned with fire from his second floor flat?

Lee.d_2

trinidadone wrote: »

Hey thanks for the message, and support. My colleague has lived in his flat for 30 years, when he moved in he was able to use the single flight of stairs which are in the block and single lift which is in the block. Very recently his mobility has been so challenging for him, that he is unable to us the single flight of stairs at all, and again only very recently he has discovered he is unable to use the lift unaided. Combined with the horrific fire, I care about my colleague very much, and thought I would ask some questions on his behalf. There has been some good advice, and some "surprising" advice as well (no pun intended)

Thanks for the response trinidadone. So lets unpick this for the minute, for the "surprised" posters on here, who are "surprised" your colleague does not have an escape route.

From what I am reading your colleague has lived at the address for a substantial amount of time. When your colleague moved in, I am going to assume he was fit and healthy, and discovered quite quickly his escape route, would be the flight of stairs in an emergency.

If we now move this forward, we can see clearly, your colleague health has deteriorated somewhat, to the point he is unable to use the escape route he had planned when first residing at the address. He, or rather you have decided to look at alternative measures, especially in light of the incident in west London. You request advice from fellow money savers, and are told by some, they are "surprised" your colleague does not have a plan already. Some of these posters are even disabled themselves.

I dont think I need to comment anymore. What I would say is keep acknowledging the positive advise you have been provided, and the "surprising" responses, just placed them on ignore, because clearly they are missing something. You are doing an excellent job in looking our for someone, and I think we should stop and think about others more, instead of judging, which I am disappointed some posters have posted. Keep up the good work bro. Keep up the good work, as he is very luck to have a colleague like you around. bless :beer:

poppy12345

Lee.d wrote: »

Dear trinidadone, firstly a massive respect to you for looking out for a fellow colleague, I think it is very honorable of you. You remind of the pictures we saw on the tv of the local community helping each other, so well done.

Secondly, I want to apologise on behalf of fellow moneysavers who keep banking on about "surprising" all the time. I want to put this to bed now as it is unhelpful, and boring. we should be looking at what you are doing, and not making judgement, which even fellow disabled people on here have carried out which is very "surprising". I would like you to "surprise" us with some further information, if you can. Do you know how long your colleague has lived in the block, and when his disability came to light?

If the OP had given all the relevent info to start with then "suprisingly" he may have got more help to begin with. It may come as a "suprise" to you BUT the only way others can help is if all the info is given to start with. In this case it wasn't until the OP wasn't happen with the comments that other info was given. I rest my case "surprisingly"

NCC-1701

trinidadone wrote: »

Hey thanks for the message, and support. My colleague has lived in his flat for 30 years, when he moved in he was able to use the single flight of stairs which are in the block and single lift which is in the block. Very recently his mobility has been so challenging for him, that he is unable to us the single flight of stairs at all, and again only very recently he has discovered he is unable to use the lift unaided. Combined with the horrific fire, I care about my colleague very much, and thought I would ask some questions on his behalf. There has been some good advice, and some "surprising" advice as well (no pun intended)

How does your colleague exit the building now if he can't use the stairs or the lift unaided?

Lee.d_2

poppy12345 wrote: »

If the OP had given all the relevent info to start with then "suprisingly" he may have got more help to begin with. It may come as a "suprise" to you BUT the only way others can help is if all the info is given to start with. In this case it wasn't until the OP wasn't happen with the comments that other info was given. I rest my case "surprisingly"

Actually your wrong once again. You made some "surprising" assumptions, and for a disabled person, that is "surprising" on two folds. If you wanted more information, you should of asked, just like I did. To be honest, I did not want to ask any further information, because the question and information provided was sufficient, it was only asked because you and others made "surprising" assumptions, which are made quite a lot on disabled people. I mean, lets face it, we really did not need to know how long the colleague had lived at the address, or when the disability occurred, we simply should of answered the question based on the first message, asking the best way to leave a building.

To be honest, looking at what you have typed, I agree with the OP and best left alone, I am glad the OP is not responding.

Or I will say, is never made assumptions, and simply answer whats provided instead of mocking!!

trinidadone

NCC-1701 wrote: »

How does your colleague exit the building now if he can't use the stairs or the lift unaided?

with help from others.

trinidadone

Lee.d wrote: »

Thanks for the response trinidadone. So lets unpick this for the minute, for the "surprised" posters on here, who are "surprised" your colleague does not have an escape route.

From what I am reading your colleague has lived at the address for a substantial amount of time. When your colleague moved in, I am going to assume he was fit and healthy, and discovered quite quickly his escape route, would be the flight of stairs in an emergency.

If we now move this forward, we can see clearly, your colleague health has deteriorated somewhat, to the point he is unable to use the escape route he had planned when first residing at the address. He, or rather you have decided to look at alternative measures, especially in light of the incident in west London. You request advice from fellow money savers, and are told by some, they are "surprised" your colleague does not have a plan already. Some of these posters are even disabled themselves.

I dont think I need to comment anymore. What I would say is keep acknowledging the positive advise you have been provided, and the "surprising" responses, just placed them on ignore, because clearly they are missing something. You are doing an excellent job in looking our for someone, and I think we should stop and think about others more, instead of judging, which I am disappointed some posters have posted. Keep up the good work bro. Keep up the good work, as he is very luck to have a colleague like you around. bless :beer:

Thank you my man, you seem to talk a lot of sense, for that reason I will follow your advice, and some other posters which have provided valuable advice also, infact I think I have all the information required. Thank you for giving me a shout, and fighting my corner, see you around sometime.

trinidadone

Lee.d wrote: »

Actually your wrong once again. You made some "surprising" assumptions, and for a disabled person, that is "surprising" on two folds. If you wanted more information, you should of asked, just like I did. To be honest, I did not want to ask any further information, because the question and information provided was sufficient, it was only asked because you and others made "surprising" assumptions, which are made quite a lot on disabled people. I mean, lets face it, we really did not need to know how long the colleague had lived at the address, or when the disability occurred, we simply should of answered the question based on the first message, asking the best way to leave a building.

To be honest, looking at what you have typed, I agree with the OP and best left alone, I am glad the OP is not responding.

what I will say, is never make assumptions, and simply answer whats provided instead of mocking!! Good Luck

cantcope

Lee.d wrote: »

Thanks for the response trinidadone. So lets unpick this for the minute, for the "surprised" posters on here, who are "surprised" your colleague does not have an escape route.

From what I am reading your colleague has lived at the address for a substantial amount of time. When your colleague moved in, I am going to assume he was fit and healthy, and discovered quite quickly his escape route, would be the flight of stairs in an emergency.

If we now move this forward, we can see clearly, your colleague health has deteriorated somewhat, to the point he is unable to use the escape route he had planned when first residing at the address. He, or rather you have decided to look at alternative measures, especially in light of the incident in west London. You request advice from fellow money savers, and are told by some, they are "surprised" your colleague does not have a plan already. Some of these posters are even disabled themselves.

I dont think I need to comment anymore. What I would say is keep acknowledging the positive advise you have been provided, and the "surprising" responses, just placed them on ignore, because clearly they are missing something. You are doing an excellent job in looking our for someone, and I think we should stop and think about others more, instead of judging, which I am disappointed some posters have posted. Keep up the good work bro. Keep up the good work, as he is very luck to have a colleague like you around. bless :beer:

no advice then? just a pat on the back for your mate and a stab n the face for the surprised disabled people
good work

seashore22

Penitent wrote: »

I responded to this thread in good faith and (I hope) provided a suggestion that may be of help to the friend, but I can't condone what looks like the use of a puppet account to back up an OP.

I may be a bit overly sensitive to this sort of thing at the moment due to a long-running issue with the reincarnations of Andy on this sub-forum, but I can't help noticing Lee.d has a very similar way of "speaking" to trinidadone and tends to turn up to defend him when he doesn't like the answers he's receiving. Lee never seems to know the answer to the question, he just tells the OP how wonderful he is and how awful the other posters are. Same thing happened here and in the thread about the test census, where the defending user became very abusive toward anyone who responded critically.

I would suggest dropping the comments about being surprised due to the OP's apparent sensitivity about anything he perceives as criticism.

OP - If I'm wrong, I apologise. If I'm not, then please don't feel that you need to do this when the answers aren't exactly what you expect. You haven't received any nasty or abusive replies, no-one is attacking you, so it's not necessary to back yourself up in this way.

Well that's quite a love fest those two are having. On both threads.

Alice_Holt

trinidadone wrote: »

Thank you my man Lee.d, you seem to talk a lot of sense........ see you around sometime.

Rather reminds me of an old adage (from school days), something along the lines that talking to yourself is the second sign of madness!!