Brexit, The Economy and House Prices (Part 2)

gfplux

posh*spice wrote: »

Right. Cough.

And when your kids can't afford a house because the government is allowing a million people into the uk every 3 years - 4 cities the size of newcastle - and we are all living three generations in a house like we did in the 30s. Will you still be pro migration then?

When will you remoaners realise you are just robbing your children and yourselves of a future?

We don't have the space for a million people every three years. Our kids are being forced out of their own home.

Wake up. The liberal elites have brain washed you.

There are 2.37 EU nationals working and paying their social security and Tax. With full employment they are contributing a huge amount of money to the British economy.
As has been said so often. The Government have tools to send these people home if they are not contributing.
If you are referring to non EU immigrants, that has absolutely nothing to do with the EU.

Rusty_Shackleton

cogito wrote: »

Cheers. I value your opinion for the sheer comedy.

You heard about a police helicopter attacting the government but the deaths of over 120 protestors has passed you by completely? Really?

I'm glad you brought up NI and Palestine because your hero is a big fan of both the IRA and Hamas. He's certainly been consistent in supporting them and denouncing their opponents.

As I've not been following those events, I dont know. The only reason I know about the helicopter story is because the phrasing of the headline left me questioning what had actually happened (as in the headline was confusing, not "the truth" of what happened before you start).

NI and Palestine, both sides committed/commit appalling violence, criticising both sides equally is the correct response when their actions are equatable.

gfplux

Thrugelmir wrote: »

Then you need to get closer to reality. Migration is more often or not for economic reasons. Why do highly qualified people go to work in Qatar? It's not for the 45 degree heat and dust storms, or the social life.

Just like the 2.37 million EU economic immigrants in Britain. From the Banker on £2 million a year to the minimum wage worker picking goods in the Amazon wharehouse.

Rusty_Shackleton

GreatApe wrote: »

Oh and It seems the older people get the more likely they are to change from labor to tory. Since people generally dont get dumber as they age they get smarter and gain more life experience something is telling them their youthful left wing ideas was carp

I refer you to my earlier post about young people being more recently exposed to others, i.e. the older people get, the more their life is a social echo chamber. Therefore they're more fearful of, for example, immigrants, and so are more likely to vote right wing.

Not necessarily dumber, but definitely more stuck in their ways, and less open to new technology and ideas. That's a pretty good reason for people to vote conservative (both small and capital C), because people whose lives are relatively stable tend to want to keep it that way.

always_sunny

Rinoa wrote: »

They also consume a huge part of the economy. They need heathcare, school places, council services etc. They also receive tax credits and housing benefit. When the plusses and minuses are balanced out it's difficult to see how we benefit.

hmmm I actually pay for health care through my taxes and [given my age] I am less likely to use it.
Average age is actually younger than the UK population, statistically care for the elderly folks is a huge chunk to healthcare.

You must have this idea that everyone here is some toothless folks from the EU queuing to use the NHS for free but that is an extreme example. Many EU countries have better health care system. Even schooling in the UK doesn't fare that much better than Poland.

Tax credits and housing benefits, that is a British problem that eventually needs sorting out.
It's difficult to see the benefit because the UK doesn't have proper records.

CKhalvashi

http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/842298/remainer-plot-revealed-EU-Brexit-back-door-deal-UK-Article-49

Ooh, oh, oh, yes please! Let's have it on 30th March 2019 when Maybot, Dave and BoJo are out the way

kabayiri

GreatApe wrote: »

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No university should allow in anyone who does not have at least 2 x B grades in A-Levels and properly marked so that only 1/4th of the year are able to get a B or above. At most 1/4th of the population needs to be university educated, perhaps only 1/8th that means at least 50-75% of university places and arguably courses are surplus to requirement

You may be right, but the whole Uni system seems to rely on volume now.

Have you seen the accommodation blocks on campus now? They are more like mid market hotels ! They don't come cheap.

My daughter's comment on one block was that "it was disappointing there was only an en-suite shower and not a bath too !" :rotfl:

It does look like there has been a lot of investment, and maybe they are relying on sheer numbers to pay for it.

GreatApe

Rusty_Shackleton wrote: »

Greatape, I would be happy to pay more taxes for say, more police, because then I'm less likely to be a victim of crime. I might be happy to pay more for social care because I hope my elderly relatives would be treated well if they needed it etc.

That is a silly statement because you can say it always at any point of taxation and anything you can say always like that is clearly fully void of any meaning or value.

I would be more happy to pay for more marginal policing if the marginal benefit was worthwhile. That means if we have to pay £1 million per reduced burglary then its not worthwhile. If it cost £10 per reduced burglary then its very worthwhile. But clearly it is stupid to say I would pay for more policing full stop

I will grant you it's not entirely altruistic being willing to pay more taxes, and while I can only speak for my own views I suspect its the same for many other socialists:

Maybe you joined your solicits groups because you think alike or maybe, much more likely, the group and group think and biases has formed your beliefs for you

Anyway we know as people get older, ie they actually start paying taxes, they get less keen to vote for more taxes and more keen to vote for center right parties so while you may be a unique human devoid of natural human instincts your countrymen are not

Here is a thought for you, you have a choice to save your own kid or 20 kids you dont know which do you do? Humans save their own kids irrespective of it costing 20 others kids. Its out biology we cant help it

In fact your refusal to give just 10% of your income to charity is probably costing lots of little babies their heath and their lives as we type. Really a !!!!!! thought

I believe society is better off when we all pay in according to our ability to pay, and take out according to our needs

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I agree and that is the system we already have

None of us choose who we're born to, none of us have absolute control over what will happen in our lives - I hope that society supports me when I'm down, and I'm happy to support others when they're down.

We have that already, the people in difficult situations in the UK are primarily down to things like drug/alcohol/gambling addictions not lack of more taxes

I don't believe the current system provides an acceptable standard of the things society should provide, and we're certainly a rich enough country to do so.

What is it we lack for in this country?

Your accusation that my belief is to score points socially is genuinely offensive.

I do not think you are aware of it ie not doing it consciously its instead a feature of the groups you associate with. Group think and confirmation bias are real and they impact ALL OF US and most of the time. You are a member of your tribe and follow its rules regulations and thinking.

Same could be said of a religious person or even a right wing person for instance there are some very poor people who vote tory in their shoes it makes little sense to do so but they do it for the same reasons some well off people vote hard left its because they are a part of a tribe and their tribal thinking trumps their personal situation/s

GreatApe

kabayiri wrote: »

You may be right, but the whole Uni system seems to rely on volume now.

Have you seen the accommodation blocks on campus now? They are more like mid market hotels ! They don't come cheap.

My daughter's comment on one block was that "it was disappointing there was only an en-suite shower and not a bath too !" :rotfl:

It does look like there has been a lot of investment, and maybe they are relying on sheer numbers to pay for it.

Its amazing that adults can get compensation for being sold PPI insurance and have lots of protections when buying goods and services but 17 year old kids can be conned into a crappy education costing £35k doing very little for them

If I were dictator I would give each 18 year old that had lived in the UK for 15+ years a choice

£35k to their pension pot
£35k to be spent on buying a house
£35k on an education

Education would thus be free but not the only choice. If given the above options I would guess university admissions would fall 50% perhaps 75%.

It would also be great economically, giving an 18 year old £35k into their pension pot that would be worth £650k in todays money (assuming 6% real return over 50 years). That means all those who took that option would have a comfortable retirement without any need to go to the state for benefit and pension credit top ups. Likewise if they buy a house sooner they will be mortgage free sooner and able to provide more for themselves though the years

GreatApe

Rusty_Shackleton wrote: »

I refer you to my earlier post about young people being more recently exposed to others, i.e. the older people get, the more their life is a social echo chamber. Therefore they're more fearful of, for example, immigrants, and so are more likely to vote right wing.

Not necessarily dumber, but definitely more stuck in their ways, and less open to new technology and ideas. That's a pretty good reason for people to vote conservative (both small and capital C), because people whose lives are relatively stable tend to want to keep it that way.

But we see more people vote tory as they get older including the young age groups. So more 25 year olds vote tory than 20 year old. I am sure 25 year olds of today have seen and been around plenty of migrants just like the 20 year olds of today so your theory does not really stand

personally I think migrants play a very small part in tory or labor voters

Did the recent GE not prove that, everyone seemed to think UKIP voters were ex tory and would flock back but the reality seems to be that half were labor half were ukip

The most anti migrant people I have ever known were strong left wingers not right wingers