Brexit, The Economy and House Prices (Part 2)

Thrugelmir

andrewf75 wrote: »

Yes I think it has only really come about because the UK seems hellbent on having no relationship at all with the EU afterwards.

The noise is coming from over the Channel. Don't confuse a hard Brexit with no relationship. As there will be a relationship. As there always has been.

A_Medium_Size_Jock

News regarding France vs Google:

U.S. internet giant Google on Wednesday won a court challenge against demands by French authorities that it pay 1.1 billion euros ($1.3 billion) in back taxes.

http://uk.reuters.com/article/us-france-alphabet-tax-idUKKBN19X29Y?il=0

A_Medium_Size_Jock

Here's an interesting report: according to many certainly in this forum, UK higher education in the form of universities will go to pot post-Brexit. European applicants won't want to come to the UK, we are told by some.

Well that's not what figures from Cambridge themselves are suggesting in this report just released - in fact they have seen an increase.

In a letter to the education select committee last year, it estimated that the number of EU applicants for its undergraduate and postgraduate courses would fall from 1,100 to below 400.
However, figures published this year show the numbers of European applicants in fact grew, up from 1,340 to 1,460.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/education/2017/07/12/cambridge-set-seize-brexit-opportunities-increasing-postgraduate/

cogito

A_Medium_Size_Jock wrote: »

Here's an interesting report: according to many certainly in this forum, UK higher education in the form of universities will go to pot post-Brexit. European applicants won't want to come to the UK, we are told by some.

Well that's not what figures from Cambridge themselves are suggesting in this report just released - in fact they have seen an increase.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/education/2017/07/12/cambridge-set-seize-brexit-opportunities-increasing-postgraduate/

It was typical of the mindset of those in our universities that they thought the only possible outcome of a Brexit vote was that it would be a disaster for them. It was all part of the Remain campaign and like many of their predictions has proved utterly wrong.

BobQ

ilovehouses wrote: »

In terms of areas where sovereignty is pooled shared standards is one of the most cost-effective.

However, as I've said, noting that we currently share standards isn't that enlightening. The question is what happens next?

The most pragmatic thing to do is to continue to share the same standards to prevent trade difficulties. The pragmatic solution comes with political difficulties; one is that UK competent authorities would still be subject to EU inspections to ensure they remain competent to declare factories/ products meet EU standards. The second difficulty is dealing with the fact that standards would still be dictated by the EU with reduced, at best, input.

Not necessarily many EU standards are implementation of international standards. Bit the EU will influence those more than UK.

Thrugelmir

BobQ wrote: »

Not necessarily many EU standards are implementation of international standards. Bit the EU will influence those more than UK.

Do European Countries actually enforce standards though. On the health and safety front there's a real disparity across Europe of conformity.

BobQ

Tromking wrote: »

I agree.
The Brexit vote last year needed to have been backed up with an unequivocal pro-Brexit election last month. The fact that it wasn't has made Brexit as envisaged by leave voters like me, now highly unlikely.

But why would you expect an unequivocal pro-Brexit election outcome when only a year before the nation split 52:48? That should tell you the consensus view was not unequivocal.

We have a real quandary. The argument Democracy says yes to Brexit, Remainers shut up (which some advocate) is not going to solve our problems. Whoever is PM, if they lead us to a hard Brexit then they will pay a heavy price at the next election. That is why we are gearing up to a behind the scenes attempt through the PC to deliver a more consensus solution that is still Brexit.

BobQ

Tromking wrote: »

....or reap the rewards.
It may be a cliche, but one of the reasons I voted leave was to give the political 'establishment' a kick up the backside. No one can deny that my wish hasn't come true, the cosy world they used to inhabit is gone and they are at last having to work for a living.

I can agree that this has been the effect, but at what price? The establishment is still there and will survive your protest. But in 3 years time the people who made the protest will quite possibly be poorer for the protest. You may think that is a price worth paying.

In a dictatorship the 'establishment' can operate without reference to the people, in a mature democracy like ours they patently can't.

True.

Remain voters were as much let down by the UK and EU establishments as they feel they were by the leave voters.

The ones who were really let down were those who were too young to vote.

BobQ

andrewf75 wrote: »

Attitudes will be affected by Brexit because with less money in peoples pockets the less they are going to care about where their food comes from.
We will lower standards because it is one way of compensating for things becoming more expensive for the consumer. Will of the people or not, I think its very sad because its a race to the bottom and the complete opposite to what we should be doing, paying a bit more for better quality and less waste.

I suspect that the nation's love affair with eating out will also decline, as will many jobs in the restaurant and caf! industry

vivatifosi

A_Medium_Size_Jock wrote: »

Here's an interesting report: according to many certainly in this forum, UK higher education in the form of universities will go to pot post-Brexit. European applicants won't want to come to the UK, we are told by some.

Well that's not what figures from Cambridge themselves are suggesting in this report just released - in fact they have seen an increase.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/education/2017/07/12/cambridge-set-seize-brexit-opportunities-increasing-postgraduate/

To be fair Jock, I think it will be more nuanced than that. Cambridge, Oxford, Imperial and the like are world class institutions; with other Russell Group Unis among the best in Europe. They will continue to draw students in.

There are, iirc, something like 160 universities in the UK. Some of these may not make the grade across all programmes, but have some good programmes. However there are some degree programmes that frankly aren't that great. If it becomes harder for students to come to those, those unis may suffer. That's partially about Brexit, but it's also to do with fee structure changes and the dismantling of polytechnics.