Brexit, The Economy and House Prices (Part 2)

A_Medium_Size_Jock

ilovehouses wrote: »

Judging by the smokescreen of insults you've thrown out you're really keen to move on from losing an argument that didn't even need to be an argument in the first place.

A quote from Reuters isn't really an example of contributing something original of your own by the way. I'm interested in the views of the posters and their take on events - I can read the output of journalists anytime.

More pot and kettle?
Are you not capable of just accepting and moving on; not only are you guilty of provoking the responses you receive with your own insulting style but you insist upon having the last word like an irascible child.

The European Commission recommended on Wednesday the end of disciplinary procedures against Greece over its excessive deficit after improvements in its fiscal position, a new sign of the country's recovery that could help it return to markets soon.

http://uk.reuters.com/article/uk-eurozone-greece-idUKKBN19X1ET?il=0

kabayiri

Rinoa wrote: »

Well, Libya won't co-operate. So I suggest we send an EU task force to secure 10 square miles just off the Libyan coast, set up refugee camps there and escort all future migrant boats to said Lybyan refugee camps.

Within one week there will be no more boats.

Guaranteed.

100%.

The only methods which save lives on an ongoing basis is dissuading people from getting on to boats in the first place.

Cruel to be kind, as Nick Lowe once sang.

Trafficking isn't only about people flow. There's a serious question about the revenues derived and how those revenues get collected and then redeployed.

People who are shipped know *their families* are on the hook for any incomes due. This isn't some regulated business with consumer rights at heart. This is a variation on economic slavery, which is as old as civilisation itself.

A_Medium_Size_Jock

ilovehouses wrote: »

I fully accept that it's imperative we move on quickly when you've lost an argument.
So why aren't you?


I feel like Hansel and Gretel following a trail of dry crumbs. Why not add some interest by offering your own opinion i.e. 'well this is good news - I didn't expect to hear about Greece's improving fiscal position' or 'it's probably all lies like they lied to get in the Euro'.

*Yawn*
Nothing to read there, move on.
As I say above, "you insist upon having the last word like an irascible child."

Brexit: EU demands answers from UK on fate of its citizens within five days - and says 'the clock is ticking'

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/brexit-latest-news-eu-uk-divorce-bill-pay-european-union-right-to-stay-five-days-michel-barnier-a7836911.html

"Demands" ?
Yeah right.

whatmichaelsays

“I'm not hearing any whistling, just the clock ticking,” Mr Barnier told a Brussels conference

There's one party coming across as dignified in this whole mess, and it isn't the UK.

cogito

whatmichaelsays wrote: »

There's one party coming across as dignified in this whole mess, and it isn't the UK.

How dignified is it to demand large sums of money that you are not owed, greater rights for EU citizens than those of the host nation and submission to a foreign court?

A_Medium_Size_Jock

whatmichaelsays wrote: »

There's one party coming across as dignified in this whole mess, and it isn't the UK.

Here's Junckers, the epitome of EU dignity:

European Commission president lets off massive mouth-fart when asked about Theresa May

http://metro.co.uk/2016/10/22/european-commission-president-lets-off-massive-mouth-fart-when-asked-about-theresa-may-6208662/

Yup, dignified.
:rotfl:

kabayiri

cogito wrote: »

How dignified is it to demand large sums of money that you are not owed, greater rights for EU citizens than those of the host nation and submission to a foreign court?

There's nothing dignified about politics really.

It's whether you bicker and fight in the open, or behind closed doors.

The EU has to bicker with states all the time; threaten Hungary with sanctions over migration; friction with Greece; get Eire to re-run that referendum just one more time

The EU can demand a certain fee, and we have every right to challenge or ignore that fee. We could send over Corby, get him to roll over, let them tickle his tummy and beard I suppose.

Herzlos

If a UK car manufacturer has to meet three different product standards to meet the separate import requirements of say, the USA, China and the EU do you think that might be more costly and expensive than just producing cars to a single standard.

A_Medium_Size_Jock wrote: »

Yet together with many other car manufacturing countries we currently do this, so it would be no more expensive than it is now.

So are you saying that we'll continue to build UK cars to EU standards? Because that's what we're currently doing.

If we want to save some of the standards overhead (like Euro-IV emissions compliance, NCAP), then we'd need to introduce another standard for the UK, which means it would become more expensive than it is now.

I'm not sure which ones we actually need to build different currently, I know the US market has pretty strict emissions requirements, but we sell almost nothing over there. So I suspect we build everything to EU standards currently wherever we sell it.

If we continue to do so, then having the ability to cut EU red tape has absolutely no value - we're following the rules anyway.

If we decide to build to a different standard for the UK, that will add cost, or cause us to drop the EU market. I think the latter is more likely - we can probably undercut the Korean/Chinese car brands (who build to EU standards) by building the low end stuff to our reduced standards (emissions, safety, quality), and keep the higher end stuff EU compliant so that we can export it. That's essentially what India/China etc already do, and some of the local stuff is awful.

andrewf75

Conrad wrote: »

FTSE 250 professional fund managers and investors have pushed it to record highs. Clearly they expect good returns going forwards.


I posted only a fraction of the global corps investing in UK. It seems they too are confident.

But you didn't post any of the multiple pieces of bad economic indicators...

There is also a difference between the general wellbeing of the nation and economic indicators. If there wasn't, we wouldn't have voted leave because the UK has been an economic success story for quite a while.

Plus of course a lot of the FTSE rises are connected to exchange rates rather than any confidence.

Herzlos

cogito wrote: »

How dignified is it to demand large sums of money that you are not owed, greater rights for EU citizens than those of the host nation and submission to a foreign court?

You mean divorce bill?

You can totally frame it the other way round too. How dignified is it to ask for a departing member to pay for it's commitments and ensure that your citizens don't have any reduction in rights?

Of course, the answer is somewhere in the middle. The EU isn't asking us to give citizens more than they already have, or asking us to pay them off. What the real number should be is going to be part of the debate.