Appeal Advice Please

Fruitcake

I don't think grace periods will get you anywhere as already suggested.

Template PoPLA appeal points can be found in post 3 f the NEWBIES.

You should go back to the car park and take photos of the entrance and signage from the point of view of a driver.
Is it possible to approach from a particular direction where the signs can't be seen, or obscured, or can't be read?
Is it possible to drive through the car park to the disabled bays in such a way that the driver could miss or not be able to read the signs?
Could disabled signs clearly be seen from the driver's seat? Were they obscured by a door pillar? Quite often the signs are sporadic so there are gaps and they are not immediately visible until perhaps you returned to the car.
Photos showing how you could have missed signs, or showing them high up on poles or obscured by bushes, or the use of tiny font will all help your case.
The long Inadequate Signage template appeal point from the NEWBIES will help you with this. Just embed your own photos in it to emphasize your point.

I can't condone your use of a disabled bay but you have put your hand up so fair play for that. You have beaten yourself up about it enough yourself without us adding to your misery. Like most of the regulars here, I certainly cannot condone the actions of the parking scammers who make misery for millions of motorists every year which is why you are being helped.

GazWeavs

Thanks for this Fruitcake.
The car park in question has only one way in and one driving direction once in so I intend to get photographs to hopefully help my case as the signs are in my opinion inadequate and certainly not visible to drivers going into the car park and indeed certainly not sufficient to be able to form any contract on my part. This coupled with the fact that it was a dark winters evening also makes the visibility of any signage even more difficult and questionable.
I am not going to argue the point on signage of disabled bays as they are clearly marked on the ground with the standard yellow paint etc. I made a conscious decision to use one, albeit for 3 minutes, I still used one so I will not defend this point. I just think the punishment doesn't fit the crime but of course that's a matter of opinion.


Thanks all,
Gaz

Coupon-mad

I intend to get photographs to hopefully help my case as the signs are in my opinion inadequate and certainly not visible to drivers going into the car park and indeed certainly not sufficient to be able to form any contract on my part. This coupled with the fact that it was a dark winters evening also makes the visibility of any signage even more difficult and questionable.

Now you are talking!

I am not going to argue the point on signage of disabled bays as they are clearly marked on the ground with the standard yellow paint etc.

That is laudable but wrong, there is more to a disabled bay than yellow paint, and MUCH more to a contract. The bays require a sign within visibility, which has the £100 readably on it. Otherwise a driver has not agreed to pay £100, and may well not know about that charge.

Was the child with you, a child with any mobility/medical problem (regardless of Blue Badge)?

GazWeavs

Unfortunately neither of my children with disabilities was with me but the disabled bays only have signs high on the building stating disabled parking only. I add that the bay I parked in closest to the entrance had no sign in front of it all all and I have photographs taken today showing this.
There are only 2 tariff/information boards in the car park next to the payment meters, neither of which I actually drove by on entering and parking, again which I have pictures of. I'm not sure on the legality of these boards regards to letter sizing etc?
It's a shame I can't upload the pics to show my points but I'm sure you get the drift.

Thanks,
Gaz

Redx

use tinypic or photobucket to host your pics , then copy and paste the url,s but also change the http to hxxp to make them "dead links"

disabled bays should have a sign , usually at the front of the bay at a reasonable height (usually less than 2 metres high) that can be read inside the vehicle and also mention any "penalty" to people who are not disabled (lord dennings red hand rule in play)

high up on a wall and not visible from the bay does not constitute compliance , so as CM says there is more to this than paying lip service

these companies and landholders rarely update the signage to account for changes in law

Coupon-mad

I add that the bay I parked in closest to the entrance had no sign in front of it all all and I have photographs taken today showing this.

Good, so at no point did you read a single word about a contract to pay £100.

GazWeavs

Redx, I will try to upload the pics as you suggest when I am at work tomorrow as they are now on my work PC.

CM, no absolutely no 'penalty' information anywhere in the area of these bays let alone infront to be seen by a driver. Just the wording as already stated saying 'disabled parking only' about 2.5mtrs up on the building but not in front of the bay I used.

Gaz