Excessive Speeds Through Housing Estate

AdrianC

Norman_Castle wrote: »

https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=rta+on+private+roads&gws_rd=cr,ssl&ei=Bk8dWYGlMKWWgAajhr2gCQ#q=enforcing+speed+limits+on+private+roads

Section 9

That's not one of the more useful replies I've ever seen here...

Apart from the minor detail that the OP hasn't said whether the roads on their estate are adopted or unadopted, the ninth result (if that's what you mean by "Section 9") from that search for me gives a Florida link - or a Washington state one, if you ignore the (Connecticut) highlighted result.

I presume you mean section 9 of the Parliamentary briefing paper, the 7th/8th result down the list?
http://researchbriefings.files.parliament.uk/documents/SN00402/SN00402.pdf
Again, not the most helpful of results...

9 Speeding
Further information on speed limits and enforcement more generally can be found in HC Library standard note SN/BT/468
Local authorities have powers to regulate traffic in their areas via Traffic Regulation Orders (TROs) as a result of the 1984 Act. The powers are generally exercisable in relation to “roads”, the word “road” being defined in section 142 of the 1984 Act in the same way as in the 1988 Act, as “any highway and any other road to which the public has access, and includes bridges over which a road passes”.

Speed limits apply to “roads”, as defined above. There is a general speed limit of 30 mph for “restricted roads”, and a road is a restricted road if it has a system of street lighting with lights less than 200 yards apart. However the local authority can include or exclude roads from the category of “restricted roads”, as it thinks fit. The 200-yard rule is thus not absolute. Apart from this general limit, there is power to vary speed limits on roads. A private road to which the public has access may or may not have a speed limit, but if it has street lights less than 200 yards apart the 30 mph limit is likely to apply. Local authorities have a general power to put up traffic signs. If a private road is a “restricted road” because of its lighting, a speeding offence may be committed even if there are no signs indicating the speed limit; but if the road is restricted by virtue of a decision by the local authority, no speeding offence can be committed in the absence of signs.

The link to Standard Note 468 (which is generic speed limit legislation) doesn't work - but google finds it at
http://researchbriefings.files.parliament.uk/documents/SN00468/SN00468.pdf

Hedgehog99

There' a chance the road surfacing people are waiting for the new surface to settle in before re-painting any markings? Round here, that can be a long time.

...or perhaps they're planning to use planters and parking bays to make chicanes instead of speed humps?

Meanwhile, you and your neighbours could set up your own speedwatch group if the police won't do it - they should offer you training and loan of equipment.

I drove along a road yesterday where someone had put a 30 mph sign on their wheelie bin, so you could all put 20 mph stickers on your bins until any new official signs go up?

AdrianC

Norman_Castle wrote: »

I don't care how useful you think it is. I spotted it and added a link here for the op to use or disregard.

You posted a generic link to a google search that may - or may not - have contained the actual result you wanted to point them to.

Why not just go the whole hog, and link to LMGTFY...?

Norman_Castle

AdrianC wrote: »

You posted a generic link to a google search that may - or may not - have contained the actual result you wanted to point them to.

Why not just go the whole hog, and link to LMGTFY...?

I posted the wrong link, now edited. Thanks for the critique of my post, very useful.

harrys_dad

strider590 wrote: »

lastly, are they speeding that badly? Or just loud cars? I've had a tonne of verbal abuse when out driving my kitcar, despite being behind someone doing 30, i get "slow down you hooligan" from folks on the footpaths, purely because the car so damn loud.

quieten down you hooligan

Strider590

Hedgehog99 wrote: »

There' a chance the road surfacing people are waiting for the new surface to settle in before re-painting any markings? Round here, that can be a long time.

True that, on my route to work they've dug up 6 roads and counting, they dig up the road, move on, dig up another, move on, then a month later they get back around to fixing the first road etc.

Mobeer

We have had similar issues on our estate. The developers put up their own 20 mph signs to discourage contractors driving too fast when construction was underway; these had no legal value and were taken down as the road approaches adoption (with a 30 mph limit). Some early residents complained bitterly about this but got nowhere.

Speed bumps or other restrictions have been ruled out because the road is seen by the council as a through road where traffic should be, rather than other streets that are considered residential.

If I had children to worry about I would move.

Head_The_Ball

Hedgehog99 wrote: »

...I drove along a road yesterday where someone had put a 30 mph sign on their wheelie bin, so you could all put 20 mph stickers on your bins until any new official signs go up?

I got done for doing 150 along a residential road.

I told the copper that I thought that the speed limit was 150 as there was a 150 sign on a wheelie bin.

Turned out the wheelie bin belonged to house number 150.

Head_The_Ball

Sitting on the side of the highway waiting to catch speeding drivers, a State Police Officer sees a car puttering along at 22 MPH. He thinks to himself, “This driver is just as dangerous as a speeder!” So he turns on his lights and pulls the driver over. Approaching the car, he notices that there are five old ladies — two in the front seat and three in the back - eyes wide and white as ghosts. The driver, obviously confused, says to him, “Officer, I don’t understand, I was doing exactly the speed limit! What seems to be the problem?”

“Ma’am,” the officer replies, “You weren’t speeding, but you should know that driving slower than the speed limit can also be a danger to other drivers.”

“Slower than the speed limit?” she asked. No sir, I was doing the speed limit exactly... Twenty-Two miles an hour!” the old woman says a bit proudly. The State Police officer, trying to contain a chuckle explains to her that “22” was the route number, not the speed limit. A bit embarrassed, the woman grinned and thanked the officer for pointing out her error.

“But before I let you go, Ma’am, I have to ask... Is everyone in this car ok? These women seem awfully shaken and they haven’t muttered a single peep this whole time.” the officer asks.

“Oh, they’ll be alright in a minute officer. We just got off Route 119.”

Herzlos

janninew wrote: »

I never saw who put the signs up as they are at the front of the estate and just appeared when I was at work. They say '20mph zone' and are similar to others in the area. We had small speed limit signs when the developers were still building but these all were branded with the company logo and have now been removed.

Are the signs green (advisory) or red (legal)?

There are very few roads with no speed limit, where they default to common sense 30/60.