Temporary into permanent contract - procedures and timing

TOTAL

Caroline_a wrote: »

As a temporary worker you are in effect employed by the agency. They pay your wages, your NI and your tax. They are responsible for your holiday pay etc etc, and if you get a pay rise it usually would mean that the agency would have negotiated a rise in their fees from the company. The company are not the employer - they are only where you work.

What if the next three months are already paid? Would renegotiation between the companies cover the period that is paid as well? If not, this would be optimal, because after the next 3 month contract finishes, the employer will have already completed their recruitment process, so they would not have to pay a penny more anyway. The only risk would be that if the agency fee goes up, they might treat it as the grounds for increasing their fee for allowing the takeover.

anamenottaken

TOTAL wrote: »

What if the next three months are already paid? Would renegotiation between the companies cover the period that is paid as well? If not, this would be optimal, because after the next 3 month contract finishes, the employer will have already completed their recruitment process, so they would not have to pay a penny more anyway. The only risk would be that if the agency fee goes up, they might treat it as the grounds for increasing their fee for allowing the takeover.

You don't seem to understand how contracts between agencies and their clients work.

The client (where you carry out your work) doesn't pay upfront. The agency uses your timesheet (you do submit timesheets don't you?) or other evidence of your having attended the workplace to claim its fee from the client. So it is paid after you have done the work, not three months in advance - because you might not carry out the work for all that time.

If a temporary worker (which you are) is taken onto the client's own payroll, the client pays a fee to the agency in respect of the introduction. The contract between them may have a fee which reduces as the length of the temp booking increases and may not be anything - but you aren't party to that contract and so don't know how long you would have to be working there.

xapprenticex

TOTAL wrote: »

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A white lie ('I need the day off for the boiler being repaired') or just something entirely non-committal will do.

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OK.

I don't recommend lying, no matter what colour you want to attach to it, a lie is a lie is a lie, don't be a liar even if advised to be one like them.

It WILL come back to bite you in the rear end at the worst possible time.

System

TOTAL wrote: »

the employer will have already completed their recruitment process, so they would not have to pay a penny more anyway.

Yeah actually they will. Virtually every agency has a term in their contract with their client that if the client hires the worker that they either pay an upfront recruitment fee typically equivalent to 13 weeks pay or they continue to hire you via the agency for a period of 13 weeks from when they notify the agency they want to employ you directly.

elsien

If your interviewing style is as convoluted as your writing, the interviewer will have probably lost the will to live after the first question.
Sorry, but I didn't make it to the end of post 1. Have you considered trying to be more concise?

TOTAL

elsien, don't force yourself. trolls have long left this thread, and post 1 is long tackled, but thanks for checking.

TOTAL

xapprenticex wrote: »

I don't recommend lying, no matter what colour you want to attach to it, a lie is a lie is a lie, don't be a liar even if advised to be one like them.

It WILL come back to bite you in the rear end at the worst possible time.

What would you tell your manager? That you are doing a job hunt? Does this strategy not backfire?

xapprenticex

TOTAL wrote: »

What would you tell your manager? That you are doing a job hunt? Does this strategy not backfire?

I just booked a day off annual leave when i had interviews, no actually i remember now, i had half day, went in for the PM.

A friend in the same situation booked two days off, interviewed one of those days.

You don't have to tell them what you are doing on your day off but lying isn't the only option.

TOTAL

anamenottaken wrote: »

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It is not even about lack of understanding; it is about lack of knowledge, which I admitted to upfront. Hence this thread.

TOTAL

xapprenticex wrote: »

I just booked a day off annual leave when i had interviews, no actually i remember now, i had half day, went in for the PM.

A friend in the same situation booked two days off, interviewed one of those days.

You don't have to tell them what you are doing on your day off but lying isn't the only option.

Okay, a day off makes most sense.