Urgent help required about new job (background check!)

marliepanda

P_McLove wrote: »

Wow this escalated quickly.

I had the skills prior at my previous role, just because I had lost out to a candidate that was simply a bit better than me means I should be unemployed and harm my chances for future employment if I do say for example "I had family issues"...they will then think this person is under pressure and it'll affect him in the work place. No thank you.

My referee contact owns part of this business with a family member...why would this be any issue?

Think I'll be fine, especially now I know what this entails regarding the check as have sought independent advice from a money advice company along with the fact that this current tax year is only a couple of weeks old.

Thanks

You'll get caught out. Liars always do.

gettingready

I have a lot of "gaps in employment" on my CV and never tried to cover with fake jobs.

If asked about them I just say I wanted time off (my choice for some of those as I was contracting) or that I was fussy looking for a new job and did not see anything suitable.

Never had a problem with that.

Nobody says a person has to have completely break free work history, we are not robots.

Putting fake job and references - that is fraud.

Red-Squirrel_2

You're asking your friend to help you commit fraud.

Don't take this job, walk away. Rewrite an honest, truthful CV and go from there in the knowledge that at least you'll be able to sleep at night.

TELLIT01

P_McLove wrote: »

My referee contact owns part of this business with a family member...why would this be any issue?

Because providing a false reference is fraud and this person would be complicit in that fraud. If word got out it could certainly have a damaging effect on the business. Why would they be so stupid as to agree once is beyond me, and to do it a second time ..... All because you want to lie on your CV rather than provide factual information.
I almost hope you do get the job and then get kicked out when they discover what you've done.

swingaloo

If you have been out of work for a year and this referee owns part of the company then how come he didn't offer you a legit job?

It seems that whatever you are advised on here your response is to poo poo it and say 'I will be fine'.

Heading for a fall I would say. Lets hope no one at the new firm knows anyone from the referees firm.

theronstar

Gosh, everyone has been really harsh!

I agree that lying to your new employer is not a good thing to do but if someone is hitting a brick wall constantly, then they may do something out of desperation.

As an example, I knew a girl who could not find a Saturday job anywhere. So she showed up at Sports Direct on the day that new joiners were to start, with her Passport and National Insurance Number.

The HR lady could not find her name on the system and assumed it was their own mistake. They gave her her new uniform and off she went onto the shop floor in her new job role.

The only time where I think false references are a big no no is when they purport that a job applicant can perform a task that they cannot perform and the new employer accepts the employee on this false advice.

Good luck in your new job but I agree with the others, try not to make a habit of this.

mac.d

theronstar wrote: »

Gosh, everyone has been really harsh!

Not really, manufacturing a non-existent job and getting someone to falsely supply you with a reference for it as your last job on a CV/application, if that doesn't make alarm bells ring, I'm not sure what would?!

Is the OP going to lie about their P45 too when their new employer asks for it? What will the next lie be after that?

Not that it matters, its pretty clear the OP doesn't have any issues lying to get what they want, that's their choice. Maybe karma will work its magic in future.

Gavin83

P_McLove wrote: »

My referee contact owns part of this business with a family member...why would this be any issue?

If they employee you and then find out that this business provided false information they are entitled to sue the business for losses, which in the case of a hired employee will be a five figure sum. Still think this referee will be your friend when their business goes bankcrupt because of a court case they can't afford and the damage to their reputation? By lying you are potentially ruining the lives of every employee at that business so if you can live with that then carry on as you are.

theronstar wrote: »

Gosh, everyone has been really harsh!

I don't think people have been harsh enough to be honest. I said in a thread recently that I don't agree with people lying about their current salary. This is worse. Far worse.

I agree with some of the others, if you can't get employment your aiming too high.

Undervalued

theronstar wrote: »

Gosh, everyone has been really harsh!

I agree that lying to your new employer is not a good thing to do but if someone is hitting a brick wall constantly, then they may do something out of desperation.........

.........The only time where I think false references are a big no no is when they purport that a job applicant can perform a task that they cannot perform and the new employer accepts the employee on this false advice.

So you generally condone fraud then?

Paton147

I can't believe you lied! I agree you should walk away from this incase it has more serious repercussions.

Just get an agency job in the production industry, they are incredibly easy insecure because unfortunately low paid low skilled jobs aren't too fiercely contested and people can be unreliable.

I worked for a couple of agencies over the last 2 years. It's important for your own feel of self worth to be out there earning and it makes getting another job a bit easier.