URGENT - Private Nursing Home & Local Authority EVICTION Pending

teddysmum

Tony_H wrote: »

No, when you become funded your pension get's paid to the LA, the LA then pay the nursing home. So essentially the LA have offered to pay the nursing home £700, but the LA will receive £600 'ish from mother. Effectively costing the LA less than £100 / week.

Frustratingly if someone has minimum pension the cost to the LA would be far higher.

I have to disagree here, as the LA would not put someone of limited means into a higher cost care home.


There are annoying anomalies in the care system, where those of us who have to self fund end up in the same accommodation as someone who didn't have the income or, worse scenario, wasted their income and have to pay more to finance LA lower contributions.


However, others rightly point out that we shouldn't expect others to pay if we have the means.


I'm sorry, but in your case , I don't think it fair that the LA should have to pay for your relative to have better facilities than others, especially as the pot is at a low level so someone else would have to lose out to allow this.


When we run out of means we all have to live according to the means we have and had a cheaper care home been chosen, private funding, meaning choice, could have gone on for longer.

Gavin83

Tipsntreats wrote: »

What I do know is that the relative cannot be moved more than three miles from where the NOK who has LPA lives.

You got any links to this? Never heard of such a rule before and seems totally unrealistic to me.

OP, the LA is entitled to fund any care home placement within their borough as long as it meets the residents needs. They'll only be willing to pay more if no such home exists that accepts the council rate. There is also nothing that suggests they have to keep her in the same home. The care home manager shouldn't have told you what they did, there was no obligation for the LA to continue paying their rate even a decade ago.

I'd suggest making sure she's claiming everything she can, look into CHC and get an assessment of needs carried out.

For the record suggesting they can't be moved without a really good reason won't cut it, any elderly person doesn't move well. I do know when a care home closed and everyone had to be moved there was a certain percentage of residents who were expected to die from the move alone. It's excepted and the only way she won't be moved is if the home is willing to accept the council rate (I'd push the council harder to negotiate this, or a lower top up amount) or that home is the only one that can meet her needs.

mgdavid

If your mother being in this place means that much, have you explored the option of the family contributing the excess cost over the LA figure?

Mojisola

Tony_H wrote: »

Our mother had a brain tumour removed 6 plus years ago and this resulted in the need for her to receive nursing care. As my late father had been good with money and mother had a reasonable sum £500k it became obvious very quickly that mother would be self funding.

For other people who find themselves in this situation with ready capital, it's really worth investigating annuities.

As others have said, I'd be wanting an exact accounting of how all that money has been spent in such a short time - there's only so many 'extras' one person can make use of.

LilElvis

Mojisola wrote: »

As others have said, I'd be wanting an exact accounting of how all that money has been spent in such a short time - there's only so many 'extras' one person can make use of.

At a cost of £4,600 per month for 6 years there should be a lot more left in the bank from a £500k cash sum plus the value of the house. Her pension of £600-£675 a week would have covered the bulk of the cost so where has several hundred thousand gone? The figures provided by the OP do not add up.

Red-Squirrel_2

LilElvis wrote: »

At a cost of £4,600 per month for 6 years there should be a lot more left in the bank from a £500k cash sum plus the value of the house. Her pension of £600-£675 a week would have covered the bulk of the cost so where has several hundred thousand gone? The figures provided by the OP do not add up.

The OP seems reluctant to answer this question, which has been asked by a few posters.

Tony_H_3

I don't want to count my chickens before they have hatched, but here's an update.

We sought legal advice and were told to write a letter to the LA outlining the lack of care and attention shown by them for situation. It was now our intention to submit a formal complaint to the ombudsman in order to seek resolve for our mothers situation.

This caused the LA to instigate a "Best Interest" meeting with our mother, followed by a meeting with the LA, SS, Finance and the "Independent" Best Interest Member of Staff.

We attended the meeting, which became obviously clear from the outset that there intention was to move mother in to alternative accommodation. It gave the Director of the LA the opportunity to hear our reasons behind not wanting our mother moved, and about the stability and care she has received at the Private Nursing Home. We expressed our concern that should they move her in to an alternative home, the staff might have to have her sectioned in order to protect their other clients.

We also went in to greater detail about the failings of both the SS and the finance department.

They stepped out of the meeting room in order to make further enquiries. When the Director returned they explained that they would "On this occasion" meet the cost for mother to stay where she is, subject to them being able to agree terms of contract with the Private Nursing Home.

So, at this stage we are very close to resolving the situation. We just have to hope that the Private Nursing Home agree to reasonable annual charge increases.

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With respect "Court of Protection", the solicitor informed us that due to the nature of our situation it would have been the LA that would have had to apply in order to move mother to alternative accommodation. This was due to mother saying that she wanted / needed to stay, the Doctors letter stating it was in mothers best interest to stay and our insistence the it was in mothers best interest to stay.

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As so many of you are fanatical about money you'll be pleased to know that I got the figures wrong. Mothers pot including the house was just over £400k (not £500k) and the time period as stated was between 6 and 7 years. The cost of care stands at £4600 per month, and the Private Care Home have reduced this to £900 per week (£3900 per month).

Fingers crossed a contract gets sorted without delay and we can get back to life!!!!

Jojo_the_Tightfisted

I think the 'fanaticism' was out of a genuine concern that the home could have been taking more than was necessary out of greed, not out of any criticism of you, OP. After all, they've reduced the fees pretty sharpish now - and I doubt that they're making a loss on her care in changing the fees (from £55K a year to c.£47k), out of altruism.

Lioness_Twinkletoes

Tipsntreats wrote: »

I won his case on Best Interest. The LA are now paying his over a thousand a WEEK fees.

This makes me very, very glad I (most likely) don't live within this LA.

gettingtheresometime

Tony_H wrote: »

As so many of you are fanatical about money you'll be pleased to know that I got the figures wrong. Mothers pot including the house was just over £400k (not £500k) and the time period as stated was between 6 and 7 years. The cost of care stands at £4600 per month, and the Private Care Home have reduced this to £900 per week (£3900 per month).

tbh I think your above comments goes a long way to see why there's a problem in social care today.


it seems most people who I talk to can't understand why they should pay for their nursing care and decide it's more important to leave an inheritance whilst expecting society to pay for that care.


my attitude is that, regardless of my age, I have to live somewhere. That will cost, whether it be in the form of mortgage, rent or nursing home fees.


And before anyone asks, my mum has worked hard all her life & if that means she's the only one to benefit from it then so be it.