References following Gross Dismissal (was not reason for leaving) - any advice?

threehundredandfourty

xapprenticex wrote: »

If you work in finance they will require more than dates, one of the questions they will ask 90% of the time is "Would you hire the person again". Trust and integrity etc are a big thing in that field (NOT saying you dont have those qualities)

That does make sense. I really don't know how employer reference checks work. Do they also often ask if an act of misconduct has been committed? Clearly they would have to say no to "Would you hire the person again".. in that case, I hope that I would be given the chance to explain what happened.

Masomnia

I used to work in HR for a bank you've heard of and they were all neutral references apart from regulated roles. Even then I'm pretty sure they'd only give the regulated reference if you were moving to another regulated role, then a written warning etc would be mentioned, or that you left with a disciplinary pending.

We used to see this kind of thing quite a lot, and it was obviously people setting up on their own looking to poach clients, so I can see why your employer acted how they did.

IMHO you've got away with it, unless you're going to an FCA regulated role don't mention it. Life's hard enough.

xapprenticex

threehundredandfourty wrote: »

That does make sense. I really don't know how employer reference checks work. Do they also often ask if an act of misconduct has been committed? Clearly they would have to say no to "Would you hire the person again".. in that case, I hope that I would be given the chance to explain what happened.

I just checked my reference again and they didnt ask if i'd work there again, that was a different employer.

it was the usual, dates, title, sick days, reason for leaving and if they have anything else they think they should mention.

TBagpuss

As above, it's fairly common for employers to give only a neutral reference confirming the dates and your job title, so it's not necessarily something which a new employer would find suspicious.

BUT if you are asked about it at all, and lie, then that would normally be seen as gross misconduct (the lying) if it is discovered.

threehundredandfourty

Masomnia wrote: »

I used to work in HR for a bank you've heard of and they were all neutral references apart from regulated roles. Even then I'm pretty sure they'd only give the regulated reference if you were moving to another regulated role, then a written warning etc would be mentioned, or that you left with a disciplinary pending.

We used to see this kind of thing quite a lot, and it was obviously people setting up on their own looking to poach clients, so I can see why your employer acted how they did.

IMHO you've got away with it, unless you're going to an FCA regulated role don't mention it. Life's hard enough.

I was in an FCA regulated role. Interestingly enough, as what I did was basically due to negligence and it wasn't as if I was sending stuff out to people who shouldn't get it, it just went to myself I was not required to be reported to the FCA, so I am not struck off the FCA as a regulated person.

There's a chance that I may still go to an investment fund however which would be FCA regulated. In that case, would the confirmatory reference raise any flags?

xapprenticex wrote: »

I just checked my reference again and they didnt ask if i'd work there again, that was a different employer.

it was the usual, dates, title, sick days, reason for leaving and if they have anything else they think they should mention.

That's good to hear. I may be able to get a job then!

ScorpiondeRooftrouser

sangie595 wrote: »

You handed in your notice without a job to go to already?

Not normally wise but if you have a 3 month notice period I'm not sure what else you can do.

threehundredandfourty

ScorpiondeRooftrouser wrote: »

Not normally wise but if you have a 3 month notice period I'm not sure what else you can do.

I knew it was a risk, but before my error on the last day it felt worth it.

Gavin83

I wouldn't beat yourself up too much about it, although you should have checked the docs a little better. I work as a Database Administrator and thoughout my time I've built up quite a large script library. I fully intend on taking copies of these with me when I leave. Difference is these contain no sensitive information which was your issue here. Had they not contained this they likely wouldn't have cared.

Personally I'd apply for the jobs you want and just put your reason for leaving as 'resigned', you've nothing to lose. I suspect as others have mentioned they'll be more likely to ask you why you left without a job to go to.

Reggie_Rebel

Some organisations would class anything created while employed by them as their property and discipline for gross misconduct regardless of the information it contains.

jonmoneybags

xapprenticex wrote: »

I just checked my reference again and they didnt ask if i'd work there again, that was a different employer.

it was the usual, dates, title, sick days, reason for leaving and if they have anything else they think they should mention.

they could include your gross misconduct in either of these two sections.