Blank P60 advice please.

sparkiemalarkie

Hi, my son has been working part time in a supermarket- his first ever job. He has been paying the full rate of tax as he didn't have a P45 to give to HR.

He has paid £700+ in tax ( total earnings £3,500) and has been given a blank P60 and been told to fill it in.
Is this right?
If so who is it sent to ?

Mine have always been filled out by the company I worked for....

I don't think that 'finances' are the HR's strongest point - my son was told that he was not entitled to claim his tax back - so looking for help and advice elsewhere.


How will he get a tax code?

tia

sparkie

jonesMUFCforever

He should have been allocated an emergency tax code to begin with.
Where would he get a P45 from if this is his first job?
They are normally issued when you leave a job.
The supermarket's HR department should sort this out.
Everybody gets a tax allowance of £11500 per tax year so if his annual pay from April to April is less than that there should be no tax liability.
If the employer does not sort it out get in touch with HMRC.

On no account should he should have been given a blank P60.

agrinnall

Employees are entitled by law to a P60 from their emplyer at the end of the tax year, I have never heard of an employee being told to fill it in themselves and to be honest I don't see how it could work as the P60 data is supposed to match what the employer submits to HMRC (previously in the P35 end of year return, but now I believe it's probably part of the RTI process).

Dazed_and_confused

For future reference you may wish to make your son aware of the new starter declaration for employees which replaced the P46 procedure.

At the very worst he could have got himself on the emergency tax code which would have meant (in the 2016:17 tax year) he could have earned £211/week or £916/month without paying any tax.

He should return the P60 to the employer and request a completed one.

As agrinnall says the HMRC should get the information from the employer from their RTI data and then HMRC will automatically refund any tax overpaid later in the year.

Has he sorted out a normal (1150L) tax code for the current tax year?

xylophone

Hi, my son has been working part time in a supermarket.......has been given a blank P60 and been told to fill it in.

I've never heard the like!

Are all the other employees doing this every year?

sparkiemalarkie

xylophone wrote: »

I've never heard the like!

Are all the other employees doing this every year?

I have no idea!


It's worrying though and very unfair on the youngsters. A bunch of them started at Christmas and I expect that they've all been told the same thing.

I assumed that the company would sort out the tax codes, but clearly not.

As for being told that my son won't be able to claim his tax back screams of incompetence to me...... very worrying!


sparkie

xylophone

https://www.gov.uk/payroll-annual-reporting/give-employees-p60-form

You son might wish to e-mail Payroll drawing attention to the above and explaining that he requires a P60 completed by the employer as directed in the link.....

sparkiemalarkie

eggha wrote: »

it is always the employee's responsibility to sort out their own tax code. When starting a new job they do that by either handing over their P45, or if they don'rt have one by completing the new starter questionnaire. If they do neither then it is their responsibility to contact HMRC directly themselves and sort it with them

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This was completed and handed in when he started.

Sadly this is a big well known company that he works for.
I feel that the HR haven't been adequately trained


sparkie

sparkiemalarkie

eggha wrote: »

WOW

in that case I would be writing to their head office addressed to their finance director and point out what is going on because what they are doing is more than lack of training, it is illegal and HMRC could impose penalties on them as employer

Oh, gosh !

badmemory

He will be able to claim back overpaid tax, but will have to claim from HMRC not from the company. THEY SHOULD have paid the tax and NI to HMRC. Once you reach month 12 or week 52 (normally) then that figure should be on the P60 & the claim needs to go to HMRC. A corrected tax code before month 12 would see the tax refunded in his pay.

What has happened here re the P60 is a bad error. Maybe rather than writing his own P60 he could use a copy of his final payslip for the year. He could try calling HMRC early just before 8am maybe (with you at his side) and see what they say. If the employer has done as they should AND he filled in a new starter form, then the employer should have had the new tax code. He will need his NI No & if poss the employers no off his payslip.

So first question - do they know he has been employed by this supermarket.
Second question - knowing that have they sent the employer the updated tax code based on the new starter form he filled in.
Third question - what should he do next to get his tax refunded.

With the new real time reporting HMRC should have all this info.

dano17439

Sounds like a major balls up. HE should be able to earn £221 a week without paying any tax.








The HR dept have totally screwed up here