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I remeber the first camera in reading...think it may have been one of the first in the UK as it was a pilot at the time.....
Next day it had disappeared...the locals thought..thats strange that was a quick pilot....until the local rags came out with the headline speed cameras stolen (or word to that effect)
If you like mini roundbaouts, a crap one way system so bad even the locals get lost and more speed cameras than you've had hot dinners then try reading for a laugh..an example of a car hating council
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Peterbaker,
Being a motorcyclist myself, i'm only too aware of the risks being taken, but you seem to have completely missed the point of Raggie's post. He is referring to how the media like to portray motorcyclists & almost revel in the story everytime one is killed.
I'll excuse your utter ignorance towards motorcyclists & the causes of motorcycle accidents because its obvious you don't ride one & probably wouldn't have to aptitude anyway.
The vast majority of motorcycle accidents involve no other vehicle & are often due to rider error, road surfaces etc. Of course we only have ourselves to blame in those circumstances ( except for instances such as irresponsible lorry drivers allowing their diesel to spill all over the carriageway )
You claim that motorcyclists get hit because they take bigger risks. 'Get hit' being the operative term. Its attitudes such as yours which lead to car drivers being apathetic about how much attention they need to pay on roads. In 70% of accidents involving another vehicle, the statistics show it is the fault of the car driver, e.g. changing lanes without looking properly, pulling out of side roads etc etc etc.
So in 70% of cases, its the fault of the car driver that the motorcycle 'gets hit' NOT as you suggest...... the motorcyclists fault purely because he chooses to ride one. Its almost as if you're trying to absolve the car driver of any responsibilty just because he's protected in a steel box. So would you blame a pedestrian every time they are run over just because they choose to walk & will always come off badly in collision with a car?
Your second point, we commute faster because we are able to filter up traffic that has come to a standstill. We don't ride any faster ( note the term RIDE not drive ) than the cars around us when the traffic is making steady progress, until of course we come to traffic whereby the size & manouvreability of ours machines allows us to make progress.
Point 3 is laughable, there's no such thing as a blindspot on a car. The only reason there may be a blindspot when a car driver changes lanes is because they haven't !!!!!! looked. So i can safely assume you never check over your shoulder before changing lanes. You seem to think that if you hit anyone that happens to be in your 'blindspot' ( i.e. that place you check over your shoulder before changing lanes ) then its automatically their fault.
May i suggest you spend a week on a motorcycle, it'll teach you more than you ever thought there was to know about road awareness & planning. But then again..... probably not such a good idea, you probably wouldn't last an hour.0 -
@Daytona_nev.
If you can't see the drivers eyes in the mirrors of the vehical ahead then they cannot see you even if they could be bothered to look. This is a good tip for cyclists on the inside of an articulated lorry that chooses to turn left at a junction.
To look over ones shoulder in a car is unproductive especially when head rests are used. I suggest that all users of roads appreciate the difficulties and problems of other road users. Perhaps there could be some kind on onboard local speed limit indicator that could be read by a vehical as it passes into a new zone.
These are only my thoughts. I walk everywhere or use public transport. I do on rare occasions drive a white transit van. This has a huge blind spot.
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Joebloggs, your suggestion is ridiculous
"To look over ones shoulder in a car is unproductive especially when head rests are used."
Are you mad !!????. My car has headrests & i always, always take a look over my shoulder before changing lanes.
If you really believe that checking over your shoulder, i.e. potentially preventing an accident by making sure you're not about to move into the path of another vehicle is 'unproductive' then i suggest you take some advanced driving tuition.
That really is the view of a part-time road user. If you're ever involved in an accident whereby you've taken a car out because you've changed lanes without looking properly. You find yourself on a driving without due care & attention charge. You would fail your driving test if you didn't check your 'blind spot' when changing lanes.
Being a motorcyclist i have to take into account the negligant actions of other road users. Part of my advanced motorcycle training involved the instructor telling me to treat all car drivers as idiots.... and it works.
If i had a fiver for every accident i avoided through pre-empting the careless, stupid & negligent actions of a car drivers, i'd have a very fat bank account.0 -
@Daytona_nev.
Perhaps there could be some kind on onboard local speed limit indicator that could be read by a vehical as it passes into a new zone.
J_B.
We already have them !!! Its called the driver !!!!!
They're supposed to read "speed limit" signs to tell them the maximum speed.0 -
"the instructor telling me to treat all car drivers as idiots.... and it works. "
This should be.............treat all other road users as idiots................and be told to all road-users........................that way everyone has their wits about them :-/
Obviously not looking over your shoulder is negligent to say the least...........however there are good AND bad motorcyclists/cyclists/lorrydrivers/van drivers/car drivers and even lunatic pedestriansetc etc etc :-/
I drive expecting an idiot to be around any minute now.......................it keeps me safe and IMO makes me a safer driver ;D0 -
Couldn't agree with you more Trafalgar.
Unfortunately, the view that motorcyclists 'ask for it' purely because they are more vulnerable is very widespread.
Its that kind of attitude that leads to driver apathy & increases in accidents. If we don't all accept that we all have a role to play in reducing accidents.... then there really is no hope whatsoever.0 -
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Are you mad !!????. My car has headrests & i always, always take a look over my shoulder before changing lanes.
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I'm not sure how you manage to look over your shoulder before changing lanes. Left shoulder isn't too difficult due to the amount of space to move about. The right shoulder is almost impossible as you have to look between the headrest and the window..
Personally i always check the mirrors and then lean forward to check them again (different angle) depending on the weather and driving conditions.0 -
If that enables you to cover your blind spot adequately then that's fair enough.
But if you're leaning forward anyway to check your mirrors for one last time before changing lanes, you're then in a good position to look over your right shoulder which is what i do.
Of course its very difficult to check over your right shoulder if you're not prepared to adjust your body position before attempting to do so.0
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