Ecpnomy 10 Meter

Richie-from-the-Boro

Everything this side of the 'tails' including costs is the consumers legal responsibility.

System

phillw wrote: »

Economy10.com suggests that you can switch to an E7 tariff with an E10 meter with some providers. I assumed it worked in the same way as an E7 meter with a standard tariff and you just add up some of the numbers. Although it may depend on the meter you have as some appear to have three readouts and some have two. Replacing the meter will be expensive, you'd need to factor that in.

I think Smart Meters can cope with standard & e7 tariffs, so when SMETS2 starts rolling out then it might be worth getting one as you won't be charged for that.

Smart meters can cope with eco 7 but so far I have nt seen an Eco 7 smart meter in the 9 years BG have been installing them. The only multi rate smart meter in use I have seen as a meter reader, is the free 8 hrs on Saturday or Sunday tariff used by BG. Eco 7 users are at the back of the queue for some reason with smart metering.

Rubidium

matelodave wrote: »

Changing the meter at no cost to the customer doesn't mean that the supplier has to bear the cost of rearranging the consumers wiring or electrical system to suit the new meter if the system is incompatible.

Richie-from-the-Boro wrote: »

Everything this side of the 'tails' including costs is the consumers legal responsibility.

Not really any rearranging, only a very minor change to the existing wiring is required.

Here is a meter board that originally had a contactor meter installed to enable the cables to the right leading up to the storage heating consumer unit. The cables leading up in the center go to the general consumer unit.

When the storage heaters were removed, the contactor meter was replaced by a standard multi-rate meter and the two circuits joined together using a couple of Henley blocks, bottom right.

You can see the wire security seals installed by the meter fitter on these Henley blocks.

The customer was not charged for this very minor wiring change, which makes the whole house E7 rather than just the old storage heating circuit.

A change from E10 to E7 or a single rate would be similar.

matelodave

Yes but if you do that the storage heaters will stay on all the time as will the hot water unless they've got separate timeswitches.

The previous arrangement let the contactor switch the supply to the heating and hot water without additional timeswitches.

You need to know how your system works and is configured system before just diving in. Some E10 and other complex systems aren't just a straight swap

Rubidium

matelodave wrote: »

Yes but if you do that the storage heaters will stay on all the time as will the hot water unless they've got separate timeswitches.

The previous arrangement let the contactor switch the supply to the heating and hot water without additional timeswitches.

You need to know how your system works and is configured system before just diving in. Some E10 and other complex systems aren't just a straight swap

There is no reason that changing from restricted hour tariffs presents the problems that you suggest. The suppliers fitted these meter for the various different restricted hour tariffs and now they are being instructed to change them if the customer requests to change to a non restricted hour tariff.

I have already stated:

"Obviously customers who currently have a timeswitch/contactor meter arrangement to control when heating is enabled, will be fitted with a suitable replacement meter by the supplier as required, therefore the customer will not be required to arrange or pay for any electrician or for wiring changes to be made"

The example shown above stated that the storage heaters had been removed, so they would not "stay on all the time" or require a timeswitch. This was simply a real life example showing just how easy it is for the meter fitter to common two circuits together if necessary at no cost to the customer.

You are stating that problems exist when they don't and the new legislation will force the suppliers to end this restricted hours tariff lock in farce and do whatever is required e.g. a contactor meter would be replaced by a different contactor meter suitable for the new tariff.

It really is quite simple!

matelodave

The OP hasn't suggested that he's taking out storage heaters, if he was then I might agree with you

Rubidium

matelodave wrote: »

The OP hasn't suggested that he's taking out storage heaters, if he was then I might agree with you

Irrelevant you are missing the point.

The OP who may never return to this thread simply stated that they were on eon E10, no mention of why they had E10 but they obviously want to reduce their running costs.

The information I posted about the new legislation is applicable to anyone who is trapped on an expensive restricted hours tariff wanting to change to a tariff of their choice, suitable for their existing or changed electrical installation.

These legacy restricted hour tariffs were more commonly used for wet electric central heating systems, which may now be uneconomical to repair etc.

There are many different reasons that customers want to get off these uncompetitive rates and the suppliers offering them have never been very helpful, frightening customers off stating that rewiring will be required etc.

If you don't understand, I'm sure that most customers stuck on these tariffs will and welcome the new conditions imposed on the suppliers.

tesst432901

Hi,
I have Economy 10 (E10) tariff with iSupplyEnergy
and have been with them since 2013.

Give them a try.

eldaniel

How disgusting is the fact that my bill on Economy 10 tariff with E.on is going up by 17.88% a year!!? Not 9.7% increase which was broadcasted to press and media! Day rate is going up from 16.989p to 19.698p (16%) and night rate from 8.684p to 10.626p (22%). All in all with my usage (65% at night) it is going up from £876.32 a year to £1033.01. How can E.on even justify something like that. Absolute robbery!

and btw E.on reward scheme with Tesco clubcard is ending too because clearly with nearly 20% increase company can not afford that...
When Russia attacked Ukraine, Ukraine increased electricity rates by 25% due to war. You can do almost the same in the time of peace.

Lal05

I am with Eon with an E7 smart meter but on a single rate tariff. Do the new regulations mean that I can ask Eon to change my meter to a single rate one (so that I can switch - another story...) with no charge?
Thank you