If the Labour Party didn't exist, would anyone today invent it?

westernpromise

None of those people are going to be remembered solely for what you've claimed. Your views are skewed by your politics. The voters' views are skewed by what Labour does in power (which is why older people don't vote Labour: they can remember what Labour is like).

But have at it. What's Labour for?

Conrad

Moby wrote: »

Globalisation is here to stay, like it or not! Advances in technology, the pressures of movements of people, communications, people in Africa wanting what we have etc are irresistable forces long term! Preparing for it would be better than hiding from it!


:rotfl:

The 'liberal' notion of dealing with globalisation is to ignore it, carry on as we are, which results in the kind of rejection of 'progressive' ideals we are seeing across the west.
Notice for example mainstream Dutch politicians are adopting Wilders tone and narratives.

Corbyn says he would stop wages being undermined by immigration, but in the real world wages would none the less be lower than they would have been were a massive flow of immigrant labour not present. People don't want to be left on minimum wage or living wage, they want wages to rise organically. They want UK firms planning ahead and getting into schools with a view to long term training whereas your dumb lot think the answer must be filling vacancies with cheap migrants


So when 'progressives' are said to be out of touch and naïve, this is a prime example of their muddled student level thinking.


Another example would be that the more open arms you are, the more immigrants come here thus leaving their own nations less able to build themselves. There is nothing compassionate about celebrating the theft of Africas Nurses.


You think building more houses will solve the housing crisis. Again incredibly naïve. New shiny home images shared over snapchat would lure even more immigrants here to these shiny prizes with a very high chance housing benefit will mean free housing for previously penniless immigrants. Instant British riches rewarding new commers, often ignoring British working people.


It is you lot that are incapable of practical common sense thinking and thus the working class find you peculiar and largely irrelevant

Moby

Conrad wrote: »

Corbyn says he would stop wages being undermined by immigration, but in the real world wages would none the less be lower than they would have been were a massive flow of immigrant labour not present. People don't want to be left on minimum wage or living wage, they want wages to rise organically. They want UK firms planning ahead and getting into schools with a view to long term training whereas your dumb lot think the answer must be filling vacancies with cheap migrants

That's rich coming from a tory 'free marketeer'. At least you acknowledge for once Govmt intervention is necessary.............oh wait that is actually a Labour policy!

So when 'progressives' are said to be out of touch and naïve, this is a prime example of their muddled student level thinking.

How patronising....and you of course represent the ruling elite classes that know what's best for the workers. Yep keep them in their place!

Another example would be that the more open arms you are, the more immigrants come here thus leaving their own nations less able to build themselves. There is nothing compassionate about celebrating the theft of Africas Nurses.

I see now...... so by stopping them coming here we are actually doing them a favour. Not considering perhaps they'll go to Germany or Spain instead......ohhh sorry perhaps that's me thinking like a student?

You think building more houses will solve the housing crisis. Again incredibly naïve. New shiny home images shared over snapchat would lure even more immigrants here to these shiny prizes with a very high chance housing benefit will mean free housing for previously penniless immigrants. Instant British riches rewarding new commers, often ignoring British working people.

i.e me!

It is you lot that are incapable of practical common sense thinking and thus the working class find you peculiar and largely irrelevant

It cracks me up that a right wing tory free marketeer thinks they know how the working classes feel!
Meanwhile project Brexit begins to impact on us all:-
https://www.theguardian.com/business/2017/mar/07/food-inflation-doubles-uk-shoppers-feel-pinch

As the frozen pizzas, pot noodles and micro chips in the brexiteer shopping trolleys go up and up you'll begin to see they'll not be such happy bunnies about brexit after all!;)

StevieJ

westernpromise wrote: »

None of those people are going to be remembered solely for what you've claimed. Your views are skewed by your politics. The voters' views are skewed by what Labour does in power (which is why older people don't vote Labour: they can remember what Labour is like).

But have at it. What's Labour for?

Actually you are correct, for example Thatcher will also be remembered for pinching the milk off the children In a couple of hundred years she will be the one used to frighten the kids :-)

westernpromise

the cause that animates Corbyn and his supporters is not hatred of Tories, but hatred of ‘Blairites’ – a group that has grown to include everyone on the centre-left who does not agree with them.

So true. RTWT.
http://blogs.spectator.co.uk/2017/03/o-shaped-hole-britains-lost-opposition/

zagubov

Perhaps the Labour Party could encourage the government to push innovation forward.

kabayiri

What would hold Labour back if elected into power is actually the same thing which encourages people to vote for them.

This thing is simply 'weight of expectation'.

A continuous period of austerity and squeeze on public spending will have people clamouring for a response.

Our new Labour PM might have a queue of people with big expectations outside the door, and with very little ammunition to service these demands.

But fear not....an army of private sector financier/PFI providers will no doubt lend a sympathetic ear, allowing the PM to borrow their way out the predicament

Thrugelmir

kabayiri wrote: »

Our new Labour PM might have a queue of people with big expectations outside the door, and with very little ammunition to service these demands.

There is no ammunition. The squeeze will continue. Living beyond ones means isn't sustainable. Trouble is politicians won't get elected if they are honest with the electorate. Hence Trumpism. New approach required.

Conrad

Corbyn on his feet now bringing the country down, what an utter twit.


All about handouts and Government as provider of all things, nothing about enterprise.

kabayiri

Thrugelmir wrote: »

There is no ammunition. The squeeze will continue. Living beyond ones means isn't sustainable. Trouble is politicians won't get elected if they are honest with the electorate. Hence Trumpism. New approach required.

No, youre right. No ammunition. No pot. No rainy day fund. Nothing.

St Corbyn is stood right now declaring his full support for all manner of causes, and they won't forget these promises should his time come to fulfil.

Moralising b****ks, thats all it is.

I see Trump rhetoric and Corbyn in the same way tbh. Shallow.