If the Labour Party didn't exist, would anyone today invent it?

westernpromise

I thought Blair was an oily creep from the first I ever heard of him. I have always found it astounding that this was not equally obvious to everyone.

Thrugelmir

westernpromise wrote: »

The common view, stable for 10 years now, is that Blair lied to start a war.

Blair allowed himself to be sucked in by the US.

westernpromise

Thrugelmir wrote: »

Blair allowed himself to be sucked in by the US.

No, he was not passively sucked into something. He was a proactive liar.

antrobus

westernpromise wrote: »

No, he was not passively sucked into something. He was a proactive liar.

I thought the story was that Blair told our US ambassador to 'stick his head as far up the American's posterior as it would go'. Or words to that effect.:)

westernpromise

antrobus wrote: »

I thought the story was that Blair told our US ambassador to 'stick his head as far up the American's posterior as it would go'. Or words to that effect.:)

He was an active and willing accomplice. He did not sit there passively being persuaded - he actively fabricated "evidence" of WMD, actively misrepresented it to the HoC and hounded to his death a WMD expert who said there weren't any. He was up to his neck and every bit as culpable as the US.

Conrad

Pertinent to Labours future, Newsnight last night did a long piece from Holland by Gabriel Gatehouse who grew up there. The conclusion was that the famous liberalism associated with the Dutch is well and truly a thing of the past.


This is why I keep banging on about 'liberalism' and 'progressives' being well past sell by date.


Labour is associated with lefty liberalism in the public consciousness. Peoples sense of fairness is at odds with the fairness 'progressives' have bought us.


We can bang on all day about Blair, Corbyn and Labour but in the end the essential problem for the left in general is that it is mis-alighned with the public mood. I have a thread on this death of liberalism in Discussion Time

Moby

westernpromise wrote: »

I thought Blair was an oily creep from the first I ever heard of him. I have always found it astounding that this was not equally obvious to everyone.

The truth is you tories fear him and also secretly respect him because he was successful and capable. By the way the tories in general supported the war in Iraq....something that gets conveniently forgotten now!

Moby

antrobus wrote: »

I thought the story was that Blair told our US ambassador to 'stick his head as far up the American's posterior as it would go'. Or words to that effect.:)

.....and May's not doing that now?.........it's called real politik!

Rinoa

Today Corbyn tweeted a request to supporters to sign a petition against Conservative cuts to disability benefits.

It was soon hastily deleted. Can you see why?



Labour and JC in particular just come across as rank amateurs.

mrginge

Moby wrote: »

The truth is you tories fear him and also secretly respect him because he was successful and capable. By the way the tories in general supported the war in Iraq....something that gets conveniently forgotten now!

He's like labours very own Margaret thatcher.

Time has been and gone. Longer you cling on to the 'glory' days then the longer you'll be stuck with the likes of Corbyn.