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Secret Documents leaked re Extra Tax on ALL Cars more than 10 years old.
Dakota_Deville
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Hi
On the radio yesterday they talked about the extra 10 pound tax on top of the congestion charge in London on cars that ten years old and older. This is a thin edge of the wedge as many coucils that are cash strapped plan to deman 10 to 15 pounds for disel cars and 7 to ten pounds for petrol cars that are ten yrs old.
Councils set to use the ploy that electric cars and those on dual fuel EG petrol and batter will be exempt.
Another leak r is the introduction of 10 pounds to use the M25 and other bottle neck motorways around England during so-called peak periods, EG, 06-00 to 19-00 hours Monday to Friday
Gov will get support from the public that don't own cars and thos with eltric cars.
However, the push to eletric cars is a trap just like when the gov pushed for disel cars, This is becaue anther 30 nuclear power stations would be needs if 50% of the cars on the raod were eletric by 2030 as people will need to charge cars and you need power stations
The gov and coucils hitting the morortis again, not right imo.
Caution advised: All govs and employers test the water unoffically, EG say they will impletemtn a charge of 20 pounds but in reality looking at half that so when the extra tax comes people are fooled into a false sense of security thinking is 'is not as bad as it could have been.'
EG, look at the insurance tax started ar half a percent now 3% and rising on car, home, life, holiday, all insurances
On the radio yesterday they talked about the extra 10 pound tax on top of the congestion charge in London on cars that ten years old and older. This is a thin edge of the wedge as many coucils that are cash strapped plan to deman 10 to 15 pounds for disel cars and 7 to ten pounds for petrol cars that are ten yrs old.
Councils set to use the ploy that electric cars and those on dual fuel EG petrol and batter will be exempt.
Another leak r is the introduction of 10 pounds to use the M25 and other bottle neck motorways around England during so-called peak periods, EG, 06-00 to 19-00 hours Monday to Friday
Gov will get support from the public that don't own cars and thos with eltric cars.
However, the push to eletric cars is a trap just like when the gov pushed for disel cars, This is becaue anther 30 nuclear power stations would be needs if 50% of the cars on the raod were eletric by 2030 as people will need to charge cars and you need power stations
The gov and coucils hitting the morortis again, not right imo.
Caution advised: All govs and employers test the water unoffically, EG say they will impletemtn a charge of 20 pounds but in reality looking at half that so when the extra tax comes people are fooled into a false sense of security thinking is 'is not as bad as it could have been.'
EG, look at the insurance tax started ar half a percent now 3% and rising on car, home, life, holiday, all insurances
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Dakota_Deville wrote: »Hi
On the radio yesterday they talked about the extra 10 pound tax on top of the congestion charge in London on cars that ten years old and older. This is a thin edge of the wedge as many coucils that are cash strapped plan to deman 10 to 15 pounds for disel cars and 7 to ten pounds for petrol cars that are ten yrs old.
Councils set to use the ploy that electric cars and those on dual fuel EG petrol and batter will be exempt.
Another leak r is the introduction of 10 pounds to use the M25 and other bottle neck motorways around England during so-called peak periods, EG, 06-00 to 19-00 hours Monday to Friday
Gov will get support from the public that don't own cars and thos with eltric cars.
However, the push to eletric cars is a trap just like when the gov pushed for disel cars, This is becaue anther 30 nuclear power stations would be needs if 50% of the cars on the raod were eletric by 2030 as people will need to charge cars and you need power stations
The gov and coucils hitting the morortis again, not right imo.
Caution advised: All govs and employers test the water unoffically, EG say they will impletemtn a charge of 20 pounds but in reality looking at half that so when the extra tax comes people are fooled into a false sense of security thinking is 'is not as bad as it could have been.'
EG, look at the insurance tax started ar half a percent now 3% and rising on car, home, life, holiday, all insurances
All sounds like rumour and nonsense to me.
Wheres the link to these "leaked" documents?0 -
All sounds like rumour and nonsense to me.
Wheres the link to these "leaked" documents?
Not sure where the docs are.
But I agree with you and as mentioned in my OP, I have said that people/govs/orgs do test the water and hype up their reall plans then come back with a watered down version.
The first step is a fact re disel cars only difference is its only London but Brum, Manacheter will be talking about this then bang, they will go for petrol cars/vans
Look at the Yellow box CCTV. The same CCTV that was set up to monitor crime being used to catch drivers in many yellow boxes that catch several hundred cars/vans a day as they are poorly thought out.0 -
is it april 1st? ,,,,,,,,,,0
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I already think that it's all much, much worse than it could have been. :sad:Dakota_Deville wrote: ». . . people are fooled into a false sense of security thinking is 'is not as bad as it could have been.'. .0 -
Dakota_Deville wrote: »
Not sure where the docs are.
So where did you get these "facts" and how do you know they're true?Dakota_Deville wrote: »
But I agree with you and as mentioned in my OP, I have said that people/govs/orgs do test the water and hype up their reall plans then come back with a watered down version.
Thats all a bit tinfoil hat though isnt it? Plans evolve over time - not necessarily because of some big conspiracy theory.Dakota_Deville wrote: »
The first step is a fact re disel cars only difference is its only London but Brum, Manacheter will be talking about this then bang, they will go for petrol cars/vans
Manchester already are attempting to minimise city centre traffic - parking costs a fortune, however there is an exceptionally good public transport system.
I dont have a particular problem with aiming to minimise / remove cars from city centres.Dakota_Deville wrote: »
Look at the Yellow box CCTV. The same CCTV that was set up to monitor crime being used to catch drivers in many yellow boxes that catch several hundred cars/vans a day as they are poorly thought out.
Whys that a problem? If people are misusing box junctions should they not be done for it?0 -
It is probably the chancellor wants to put VED up by £20 a year.
Then when it "only" goes up by £10 we all rejoice at the "bargain" "narrow escape" "generosity of the hard-working Government" (they do think we are witlessly stupid afterall- and I guess they are right as they get voted in!)I want to go back to The Olden Days, when every single thing that I can think of was better.....
(except air quality and Medical Science
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It is probably the chancellor wants to put VED up by £20 a year.
Then when it "only" goes up by £10 we all rejoice at the "bargain" "narrow escape" "generosity of the hard-working Government" (they do think we are witlessly stupid afterall- and I guess they are right as they get voted in!)
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Agreed. The car drivers are easy targets, ie the legal ones.
Up until a few months ago, every couple of months I's see cops pulling up unisured/untaxed cars/vans/etc but dont see them now.
I read somewhere that 20% of traffic on london roads is not taxed/insured.
Look at the M25/Darford crossing/bridge, the gov promised to remo toll once the bridge had been paid for and that was in 2004, but not did they keep the toll they increase it every year.
The extra tax on cars inc petrol cars is almot a dead cert as it will allow coucils to raise millions of extra revenue.
Some carparks in London already charge extra for disel cars.0 -
Dakota_Deville wrote: »
Hi
Agreed. The car drivers are easy targets, ie the legal ones.
Up until a few months ago, every couple of months I's see cops pulling up unisured/untaxed cars/vans/etc but dont see them now.
So because you dont see them, it doesnt happen?Dakota_Deville wrote: »
I read somewhere that 20% of traffic on london roads is not taxed/insured.
Really? I would very much doubt that - though happy to be proved wrong if you have the source.Dakota_Deville wrote: »
Look at the M25/Darford crossing/bridge, the gov promised to remo toll once the bridge had been paid for and that was in 2004, but not did they keep the toll they increase it every year.
Really? There was pressure at the time by the general public to have the charge removed once the capital repayment was made in 2003, but i cant find anywhere where the government "promised" then didnt?
http://www.sabre-roads.org.uk/wiki/index.php?title=Dartford_Tunnel
And even if that IS true, what odds? Its raising revenue from the people who use it. If you dont use it, you dont pay it.
Toll roads are common.Dakota_Deville wrote: »
The extra tax on cars inc petrol cars is almot a dead cert as it will allow coucils to raise millions of extra revenue.
Are you talking about tolls for cars coming in to cities? I've no issues with that.Dakota_Deville wrote: »
Some carparks in London already charge extra for disel cars.
No. None do. Westminster council will be the first, for a trial time from April.
https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2017/jan/27/westminster-council-first-charge-extra-park-diesel-cars-air-pollution-emissions
That will probably continue - Westminster is one of the London areas with the heaviest air pollution.
What would you propose as an alternative by the way? Should we just keep continuing to pollute city air with dirty diesels (and petrol cars for that matter)?0 -
30 nuclear power stations lol
According to the Gridwatch website from Sheffield University, total UK demand at 18:20 2 days ago was 41.47GW, with 8.58GW from UK's nuclear plants - there is (based on World Nuclear Association data) around 8.883GW UK total nuclear output from the 15 units in operation.
30x 8.883 = 266.49GW or 6.43x the total UK demand at a peak time and nearly 3x the current UK total production capacity (as of 2013 - 91.5GW)
Do you really think a load of electric cars are suddenly going to require we triple our total generating capacity?Sam Vimes' Boots Theory of Socioeconomic Unfairness:
People are rich because they spend less money. A poor man buys $10 boots that last a season or two before he's walking in wet shoes and has to buy another pair. A rich man buys $50 boots that are made better and give him 10 years of dry feet. The poor man has spent $100 over those 10 years and still has wet feet.
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Clearly the OP doesn't quite understand that any local congestion/emission charge could only be levied by the local authority - as the London charges are, and the couple of other minor local congestion zones already in existence, while the M25 would have to be tolled by Highways England.
I wonder where these "leaked documents" (that nobody, including the OP, has ever seen) are supposed to have come from?0
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