NCP Not Parked Correctly within markings of bay space

hvenable68

Hello I parked outside the lines in the ncp car park because to park within the lines would mean the vehicle next to me would not be able to get into their vehicle without potential damage to my car. On returning to the car park I had a parking charge. I must point out there is no signage about the parking outside the lines on the floor or other floors. The only signs I could see is a large board(small print) as you take your ticket on entering the car park. Since then Ive been sent numerous letter now from ZZPS who say they will take to solicitor if no payment. The current charge is now £160. Any ideas how should handle this situation? My arguement is there was no signage on the floor to warn people that they are breaking the car park rule. what should I do? Im nervous about ignoring the letters?

Fruitcake

I'm assuming you didn't appeal the original PCN stuck on the car, or ignored the NTK (Notice to Keeper) that came through the post. Please confirm this.

Ignoring has not been advised here since the law changed in 2012.

Please read the Sticky thread for NEWBIES. This explains why it is safe to ignore powerless debt collectors.

Umkomaas

For posterity you might want to get time-stamped photos of the signage at the car park. While NCP are not currently litigious in England and Wales (they're just starting to poke their head above the parapet in Scotland), they do have the balance of 6 years to pursue this. It's no good going for photos in 5 years time!

fisherjim

The current charge is not £160, you have obviously got to the debt collectors stage and they have slapped on their £60 charge for the sport of scaring you with silly ignorable scrap paper.


ZZPS are lying they will not talk to a solicitor, a solicitor could only act on instruction from the PPC or landowner and the silly debt collector will be out of the loop.

What ever you do don't pay them or communicate with them.

The_Deep

Write to the PPC asking them what the extra £60 is for. It will cost them money to reply, and their reply can be used against them if it gets to court.

Quentin

The_Deep wrote: »

Write to the PPC asking them what the extra £60 is for. It will cost them money to reply, and their reply can be used against them if it gets to court.

It's generally the advice here not to raise your head at all by contacting the ppc during the debt collector stage.

hvenable68

Hi thanks for responding. I did not appeal the pcn I just ignored it. I read all sorts of threads most said Ignore!

hvenable68

Unfortunately I did respond to ZZPS debt collectors by email asking for evidence of the alleged infringement and pointed out the lack of signage in the NCP car park as their no signs on any levels or at the pay station etc There is only a sign in tiny print as you drive into car park to take a ticket and photos with a date stamp has been taken. I have looked at threads and thanks to all those who have tried to help/advise. I will update this thread to keep all in the loop for future reference. I see that poplar code could be the next response should the collectors become unreasonable.

Fruitcake

hvenable68 wrote: »

Unfortunately I did respond to ZZPS debt collectors by email asking for evidence of the alleged infringement and pointed out the lack of signage in the NCP car park as their no signs on any levels or at the pay station etc There is only a sign in tiny print as you drive into car park to take a ticket and photos with a date stamp has been taken. I have looked at threads and thanks to all those who have tried to help/advise. I will update this thread to keep all in the loop for future reference. I see that poplar code could be the next response should the collectors become unreasonable.

Since you have missed the initial appeal deadline to NCP there is now no chance for a PoPLA appeal. You can't appeal to PoPLA without a PoPLA code and you can't get one of those if you haven't appealed to the parking scammers in the first place, and you are too late to do that.

All you will get from the debt collectors is free but poor quality bog paper. Ignore everything and anything you get from the debt crawlers, and never, ever, ever, eve, ever, contact them, ever.

In case NCP try court in the next six years, get pics of the signs at the entrance and around the car park.

fisherjim

hvenable68 wrote: »

Unfortunately I did respond to ZZPS debt collectors by email asking for evidence of the alleged infringement and pointed out the lack of signage in the NCP car park as their no signs on any levels or at the pay station etc There is only a sign in tiny print as you drive into car park to take a ticket and photos with a date stamp has been taken. I have looked at threads and thanks to all those who have tried to help/advise. I will update this thread to keep all in the loop for future reference. I see that poplar code could be the next response should the collectors become unreasonable.

If you are at debt collection stage that boat has sailed, and debt collectors are only interested in money skimming they won't be interested in anything to do with what happened on the day or signage.

Fruitcake

hvenable68 wrote: »

Hi thanks for responding. I did not appeal the pcn I just ignored it. I read all sorts of threads most said Ignore!

You won't see advice to ignore on this forum. You know where to come, and send friends and family if it happens again.