PCN in Office Car Park

777pilot

Hi, I am a noob (sorry, I'm sure you all were once too? ) but I have a couple of basic queries I haven't been able to satisfy despite a couple of hours of searching here and parking-prankster. I'll be as brief as possible.

My employer leases an office in a block with a private car park monitored by UKCPS. Small stickers for windscreens are supplied (at a cost of £3.60 each!) to show you work there.

When changing cars recently I noticed that upon removing this sticker the sticker disintegrated and an imprint of the building's logo was left on my windscreen - it has been very difficult to remove this imprint. I didn't want this to happen to my new(er) car, so I've just been putting my new sticker (£3.60!) on the dashboard instead when parked.

It appears this dashboard-mounted sticker has gone missing and today I got a £100 PCN from our friends at UKCPS.

I have an email receipt for this sticker from the building operator, including the reg plate and description of the vehicle which matches the CPN.

This is an honest mistake, I've tried to comply, I just didn't want to potentially damage my vehicle. I would happily (ish) purchase another sticker (£3.60!)

Queries:

1. Can I approach the building's operator (not sure if they are the landowner) to complain without effectively admitting liability to UKCPS?

2. Does the JOPSON v HGS ruling below apply, if I don't have luck with the building operator and wish to contest after receiving a NTK?

"the parking firm is contracted for the benefit of the leaseholders/landholders/tenants. It is unconscionable, contrary to the requirement of good faith and 'out of all proportion to any legitimate interest' to issue a parking penalty ... these rights supersede any signs, which are of no consequence except to deter rogue unwanted drivers from leaving their vehicles when they have no business on site. This is true of any residential or business car park where tenants/leaseholders (who may be individuals or businesses) enjoy legal 'rights of way'"

Thank you in advance.

777

P.S. I know I have no sympathy from those of you who pay enormous amounts for parking each day just to go to work. I promise you I'm not just tight, I'm also a carer and every penny counts right now - the only 777 I fly is in my dreams

Half_way

Yes, and yes, however it all boils down to the lease/rental agreement the buildings occupiers may have.
please take a read of the sticky thread.

As mentioned the lease is critical, and you should ask your employer/boss, at a guess they or someone they may know may also have fallen victim to UKCPS If you go into this the right way you could be onto a winner in getting rid of the PPC

Coupon-mad

Does the JOPSON v HGS ruling below apply, if I don't have luck with the building operator and wish to contest after receiving a NTK?

Maybe look at Saeed v Plustrade. All covered in the Parking Prankster's blog about residential car parks.

777pilot

PCN cancelled!

Thanks for the advice, I pleaded my case to the building operators and they agreed the parking restrictions are not there to penalise their customers (leaseholders), instead they're to stop people parking who have no right being there.

:j

catfunt

Well done.

Make sure you get written confirmation from UKCPS, or some form of indication (such as trying to pay online, perhaps the web page may come up as invalid charge etc) that the charge no longer exists.

Otherwise, the PPC may still pursue the charge if the building operators said they were getting it cancelled just to get you out of their hair, and then not done so (or UKCPS refused to do so).

Just that word of caution, as these things have come back to bite people in the butt before....