Value of Garden

somethingcorporate

Why not see if he would part with a bigger bit of land? (in for a penny, in for a pound).

If you are going to be shelling out a few £k why not start with a bigger plot, then you can move on size (down) and price (up).

G_M

da_rule wrote: »

Legal costs could be increased as the land you are buying may be unregistered. You would therefore be doing a sale of part of unregistered land, so would potentially need all of the deeds relating to your neighbours house.
Good point.

But easily checked. Search for the neighbour's Title at the Land registry here. If it exists, download the Title Plan (£3) for the neighbour's property and see if it inludes all the land especially the part you wish to buy.

These would then have to be checked to ensure that there are no covenants/easements that affect the area you are buying.
Another good point. For a further £3, download the Title deed to check for covenants.

Also, do you have a mortgage? If you do, and you're looking to merge the new land and your existing land onto one title then you may need your lenders consent, who may insist on a survey/valuation.

Easily avoided by simply not merging the land into your existing property title. Create a new Title just for that plot and own it seperately.

invite him over for tea and cakes and see what he thinks. You're going to need to do all the running if he really is not that bothered,

What a strange suggestion. As if anyone would be influenced by a bit of cake.....

GDB2222

henry24 wrote: »

£3000 was a figure I thought it would be worth to me, it's only 1% because of the work I have done to make it worth £260k 3 years ago it was £172k. I have a big front garden but very small back one. The land my house is built on was sold by the same man about 40 years ago to a couple who built the house and lived in it until they died.
Why would I need a survey on a piece of field? Legal costs here are cheap like most things. They don't have a mortgage.

You need the survey so that you can send an accurate plan to the Land Registry.

somethingcorporate

G_M wrote: »

Easily avoided by simply not merging the land into your existing property title. Create a new Title just for that plot and own it seperately.

The house we bought last year had this. Was no more complicated for the solicitor and they merged them as part of the buying/selling process. It's a good idea to keep things simple for now.

kinger101

henry24 wrote: »

£3000 was a figure I thought it would be worth to me, it's only 1% because of the work I have done to make it worth £260k 3 years ago it was £172k. I have a big front garden but very small back one. The land my house is built on was sold by the same man about 40 years ago to a couple who built the house and lived in it until they died.
Why would I need a survey on a piece of field? Legal costs here are cheap like most things. They don't have a mortgage.

Discussing it with us it a bit moot point now. You decided your top figure. It's a matter of discussing it with him now.

Ozzuk

I wouldn't ask what he wants for it, decide on the value for yourself and make the most appropriate offer. There is no onus on him to sell, he may come back with a flippant answer just to make you go away.

We bough a house opposite some fields, we were told there was no way the owners of those fields would ever sell, people had tried. We worked out what we could afford and what it was worth to us, made sure it was attractive and made the offer which was accepted.

This doesn't mean it would work for you, and you could end up paying more for the land, but it is how I would approach the situation.

p00hsticks

henry24 wrote: »

I have asked my neighbour if he would sell me a small piece of his garden he as about 14 acres all very rough. The bit is 17m x 8m and can only ever be used as garden.

henry24 wrote: »

This is something to think about. It can never be built on because of where it is. Agricultural land around here is about £9000 an acre which is £400 for his bit so hardly worth it to him.

You've referred to both 'garden' and 'agricultural land'. Which is it ? You do realise that there is a difference between the two types of land and I believe that planning permission would be required to change the use from one to the other.

Ozzuk

I think you would need planning permission to change its use, however you don't actually need to do that. There may be more restrictions on agricultural versus amenity space, but if you are just using it as a garden then it makes no real difference day to day. Worth looking into depending on how you intend to use the space.

Davesnave

Ozzuk wrote: »

I think you would need planning permission to change its use, however you don't actually need to do that. There may be more restrictions on agricultural versus amenity space, but if you are just using it as a garden then it makes no real difference day to day.

Oh yes it does.

Do you think that DEFRA use the same Google Map as you? They know when farmers move their boundaries just a metre or two!

ThinkingOutLoud_2

Davesnave wrote: »

Oh yes it does.

Do you think that DEFRA use the same Google Map as you? They know when farmers move their boundaries just a metre or two!

OK, but he is not trying to build on it or change its use, right? So the grounds to vehement objection or refusal by the local council may be imagined (or real).

The OP may find his local council has a similar post to this one. This seem particularly helpful in trying to clarify what is OK or not and where planning permission or restrictions may be imposed.
https://www.wrexham.gov.uk/english/planning_portal/lpg_notes/lpg14.htm

Maybe there is no need / plan to change the use? So if the OP erects all his sheds etc on his existing garden (per existing permissions) and plants a apple trees to make it into an orchard garden / does nothing to damage the flow of the countryside...

But he does need to clarify the facts formally as posted by various way above. Plus, it does sound like the current owner does nothing to tend the land.