Are degrees in the UK value for money?

economic

Gymbob wrote: »

Definitely agree with this, in terms of myself.. originally I wanted to be a geophysicist in the Oil and Gas industry, :rotfl: I did a Geoscience degree with foundation year (as I had a btec in mechanical and electrical engineering and only did AS)... As the oil price declined so did any opportunity.. I worked as a lead recruitment consultant for geoscience disciplines after my degree. Then made the decision to return to study to do an MSc in Mining Engineering seeming as though most energy sources seem to be going the battery route. All I can say is I hope it pays off this time.. I've paid to do this year to stop a further post grad loan..

I don't know if I should of taken this route or what really but when I finished school in 2007/2008 there were literally no opportunities for apprenticeships either.. the government have helped that scheme a lot over the years, il give them that. That doesn't take away my ridiculous amount of debt though :rotfl: which currently equates to £3,660 in interest a year... even now whilst I'm a student again..

Scrap plan 2.. to put this into perspective .. as I said I have an interest added of £3,660 per year. For the people who do media, photography, environmental etc (no offence) you aren't going to be earning 50-60k+ as a grad...

If you were to earn £50,000.. I'd be charged 9% of everything over £21,000 (think this may have just gone up to £25,000)

This equates to £2,610pa ... so basically with me paying that I'd still be getting £1,050 added to my debt each year... it's stupid..

This is where they get it back.. with people earning £100k salaries.. I'd pay 79,000 at 9% = £7,110. Even if you were to earn that as a grad, which isn't going to happen it would take near to 18 years to pay back (with the amount what it is now) meaning you pay back £128,000 (basically 3 times what I originally borrowed)...

Thereby - this encourages - if you work hard through uni, you work hard in life, being stressed all the time, you get abused by the system.

If you do a bs degree and float around in life, you never pay anything back.

Great encouragement.

With regards to the above I did a back up as well, have all HGV licences and CPC �� Fancy giving me a job if this doesn't work out? ��

you are not alone in your frustrations. but then there are others who just dont care or who are deluded. at least you know the system is broken.

i knew one guy who said he would just go to uni milk the system and move to another country to get a job (i think to nigeria to work in oil).

he joked with me that i would be the one to pay his student debt off as i am the taxpayer. this is partly why i dont work, as the marginal benefit of working for me doesnt make sense as i know the taxes i would otherwise pay wont come back to me in the future. i would be effectively funding other people's lifestyles.

the system truly is a joke but there really is no long term thinking within government.

Arklight

economic wrote: »

you are not alone in your frustrations. but then there are others who just dont care or who are deluded. at least you know the system is broken.

i knew one guy who said he would just go to uni milk the system and move to another country to get a job (i think to nigeria to work in oil).

he joked with me that i would be the one to pay his student debt off as i am the taxpayer. this is partly why i dont work, as the marginal benefit of working for me doesnt make sense as i know the taxes i would otherwise pay wont come back to me in the future. i would be effectively funding other people's lifestyles.

the system truly is a joke but there really is no long term thinking within government.

Yes very sensible.

economic

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/education-42138669

be careful to all future students. you may end up like her. the funny thing is she says she needs more support. i think she just needs to realise how stupid she has been because of the following:
- having a baby at a young age
- doing a pointless degree
- going to a poor uni
- going to uni fullstop
- complaining how its everyone elses fault and not hers.

Arklight

economic wrote: »

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/education-42138669

be careful to all future students. you may end up like her. the funny thing is she says she needs more support. i think she just needs to realise how stupid she has been because of the following:
- having a baby at a young age
- doing a pointless degree
- going to a poor uni
- going to uni fullstop
- complaining how its everyone elses fault and not hers.

Yes ridiculous. She's trying to work and support herself too. What a [EMAIL="dumb@$$"]dumb@$$[/EMAIL].

economic

Arklight wrote: »

Yes ridiculous. She's trying to work and support herself too. What a dumb@$$.

she is asking others to support her. in fact she is getting support from others already. she has only got herself to blame for being in her position. so why is she going to the media to complain?

Arklight

economic wrote: »

she is asking others to support her. in fact she is getting support from others already. she has only got herself to blame for being in her position. so why is she going to the media to complain?

Probably some leftist conspiracy they teach people to adopt in second rate universities. Alongside Marxism, stealing other people's money, laying about, expecting a free handout, voting Labour, and expecting 3 years of bettering themselves via education to lead to a job.

economic

Arklight wrote: »

Probably some leftist conspiracy they teach people to adopt in second rate universities. Alongside Marxism, stealing other people's money, laying about, expecting a free handout, voting Labour, and expecting 3 years of bettering themselves via education to lead to a job.

you really are silly.

all i said was that she was stupid for making these mistakes. we all make mistakes. thats just human nature. but what makes it even more stupider is not realising her mistakes and then complaining about it that it is someone elses fault meanwhile being supported by the taxpayer with her childcare.

also she is doing another degree - a masters in branding. would this be worth the time and money? why do you need a masters in branding? clearly she hasn't learnt from her mistakes.

you really can not make this stuff up.

Arklight

economic wrote: »

you really are silly.

all i said was that she was stupid for making these mistakes. we all make mistakes. thats just human nature. but what makes it even more stupider is not realising her mistakes and then complaining about it that it is someone elses fault meanwhile being supported by the taxpayer with her childcare.

Yes, ideally as a fallen woman she should just go to the workhouse with the rest of the peasants, leaving her child in an orphanage on the way. Or a debtors prison.


She is such a big stupid.


Unlike you.

economic

there is a saying that goes something like this:

those who can, do. those who can't, teach.

well ill add one more line to that:

those who really can't, study for pointless degrees at rubbish unis and wonder why they cant get a decent job.

Arklight

economic wrote: »

there is a saying that goes something like this:

those who can, do. those who can't, teach.

well ill add one more line to that:

those who really can't, study for pointless degrees at rubbish unis and wonder why they cant get a decent job.

And then there is a further saying:


"Those who can't teach, taught you, and found you could not learn. And thus, the unteachable was taught by the non-teacher, and he did rant with awful grammar on the internet forever more."