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Are degrees in the UK value for money?
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At youngest's college, they had a one submission rule. You messed it up first time, it was the student's fault for not taking care to read the requirements and doing the correct amount of research and study. It didn't take long for people to learn to get it right the first time around, some of them the hard way.
Different story at the 6th form the other two went to.
You can see for this how it is now not fair. Some schools and colleges have the one submission rule and some have the you can do it as many times as you like until you get the mark you want with more or less instruction as to what to submit by the teachers.
When I did A levels it was a lot fairer because everyone only got one chance.
The other thing about GCSEs is that the answer to the questions are often on the papers to there are big clues as to what the answer should be. O levels didn't do this. You had to find the infomation from your knowledge. Also I think there were fewer questions and the answers were longer so if you didn't know very much about the subject that the question covered you would fail the exam.
I understand that some people are not good at exams. The problem is the one size fits all for qualifications. There are jobs where you have to be able to recall information on the spot without going to look it up and these jobs are not suitable for someone who can't pass exams but how do you find out if you don't learn at school that you need to do qualifications that are mostly course work and not ones where there is an exam.0 -
You are making stuff up again. I was referring to those who keep going to university to study over and over again. Because it is in my opinion that by far most university degrees are worthless.
Those who can study by themselves a subject are the ones who can "do". Not the ones who need to be spoon fed.
Can you elaborate on this, you can only take out a student loan to cover one undergraduate degree (unless you then go on to study nursing). How can someone not 'do' yet be successful enough to have a spare £27k in their back pocket for tuition fees?
As someone who has English as a third language I would usually apologise for the poor quality of my written English, but clearly I am writing to someone with English skills inferior to my own.0 -
You can see for this how it is now not fair. Some schools and colleges have the one submission rule and some have the you can do it as many times as you like until you get the mark you want with more or less instruction as to what to submit by the teachers.
When I did A levels it was a lot fairer because everyone only got one chance.
The other thing about GCSEs is that the answer to the questions are often on the papers to there are big clues as to what the answer should be. O levels didn't do this. You had to find the infomation from your knowledge. Also I think there were fewer questions and the answers were longer so if you didn't know very much about the subject that the question covered you would fail the exam.
I understand that some people are not good at exams. The problem is the one size fits all for qualifications. There are jobs where you have to be able to recall information on the spot without going to look it up and these jobs are not suitable for someone who can't pass exams but how do you find out if you don't learn at school that you need to do qualifications that are mostly course work and not ones where there is an exam.
More and more are moving to the one submission rule. I know the students found it a little harsh to begin with (they were all given some leeway on the first bit of course work handed in but warned for future ones) but they got into the habit fairly quickly, those who didn't tended to not make it into the second year of the course as there was also had a minimum standard to progress (nothing below a C).
The students were expected to work hard, the teaching was of an excellent standard and very in depth but they were also expected to do even more in depth research in their own time outside of what was being taught in the classroom.
As a result, there was little to no disruption in the class as the ones who were there were serious about why they were there and working hard rather than mucking about. Only those who are invested in their future (be that going to university, the good apprenticeships or straight into work) are attracted, it is not the place to be (nor are you wanted) if you just want to doss for two years doing the minimum of work.
It's also why it is the best college in the area with twice the amount of students wanting to get in than places allow for.We made it! All three boys have graduated, it's been hard work but it shows there is a possibility of a chance of normal (ish) life after a diagnosis (or two) of ASD. It's not been the easiest route but I am so glad I ignored everything and everyone and did my own therapies with them.
Eldests' EDS diagnosis 4.5.10, mine 13.1.11 eekk - now having fun and games as a wheelchair user.0 -
Can you elaborate on this, you can only take out a student loan to cover one undergraduate degree (unless you then go on to study nursing). How can someone not 'do' yet be successful enough to have a spare £27k in their back pocket for tuition fees?
As someone who has English as a third language I would usually apologise for the poor quality of my written English, but clearly I am writing to someone with English skills inferior to my own.
I believe you can also get a 2nd one for STEM subjects as well0 -
Can you elaborate on this, you can only take out a student loan to cover one undergraduate degree (unless you then go on to study nursing). How can someone not 'do' yet be successful enough to have a spare £27k in their back pocket for tuition fees?
As someone who has English as a third language I would usually apologise for the poor quality of my written English, but clearly I am writing to someone with English skills inferior to my own.
What is wrong with the English in my post? Please educate me.
As I said there is no problem in someone in doing more degrees as long as it’s paid for by themselves. However it is in my opinion that most degrees are useless and a waste of time. Why do you need a degree when you can learn 90% plus of the degrees yourself or through experience?
I am learning Python. I have never studied computing before. I never bothered with a computing degree as I know I can learn all that stuff myself. I don’t need to be spoon fed. Those who are not capable of learning by themselves are the ones who can not “do” as they clearly need someone to teach it to them.
Who would you rate more highly, someone who has learnt a skill themselves or someone with a degree that teaches them that skill?0 -
What is wrong with the English in my post? Please educate me.
As I said there is no problem in someone in doing more degrees as long as it’s paid for by themselves. However it is in my opinion that most degrees are useless and a waste of time. Why do you need a degree when you can learn 90% plus of the degrees yourself or through experience?
I am learning Python. I have never studied computing before. I never bothered with a computing degree as I know I can learn all that stuff myself. I don’t need to be spoon fed. Those who are not capable of learning by themselves are the ones who can not “do” as they clearly need someone to teach it to them.
Who would you rate more highly, someone who has learnt a skill themselves or someone with a degree that teaches them that skill?
Python is used by children in ks3, I wouldn't think anyone would find it in the least bit tricky.
You use the incorrect tense, used words in correctly and fail to adequately punctuate.
Degrees don't teach a skill, they merely provide access to knowledge, such as being able to view journals. I would have thought you would know that, but clearly not.
You are yet to show me how all these people who cannot 'do' seem to have a spare £27k laying around each time they wish to gain a degree.0 -
Python is used by children in ks3, I wouldn't think anyone would find it in the least bit tricky.
You use the incorrect tense, used words in correctly and fail to adequately punctuate.
Degrees don't teach a skill, they merely provide access to knowledge, such as being able to view journals. I would have thought you would know that, but clearly not.
You are yet to show me how all these people who cannot 'do' seem to have a spare £27k laying around each time they wish to gain a degree.
When i was in primary school i remember learning very simple commands like print and using simple operands such as "+" and "-" using BASIC. This was before KS3. The stuff you learn at KS3 using Python is not that much more then this, maybe including "if" statements as well. But what is the point you are making? That since children are taught it, that its easy to learn it yourself? That's like saying maths is taught at KS3 so anyone can learn maths, just dont bother with degrees. So can anyone just learn maths at degree level without doing the degree? You are sounding like a deluded fool.
Actually it depends on the degree but both skills and knowledge is gained generally. Are you saying doing a dentistry degree is all knowledge and no skill? So they don't do any practical exercises at all? Same with medicine? What about physics, and chemistry? I agree something like Women Studies is all knowledge (useless knowledge but knowledge nonetheless).
You haven't answered my question on who you would rate more highly?
If someone has 27k and wants to do a degree then that's up to them. I would see someone who uses that 27k in a more productive way (e.g. setting up a business) to be more of a "doer". But again I'm not sure the point you are making. Are you saying that someone with 27k to waste away on a degree is a doer simply because he has 27k to throw away? 27k is not a lot of money.0 -
That’s not true, funding is only available for healthcare related courses.
It seems it's a loan for a 2nd degrees only if it's a part time degree in certain bits of STEM
https://www.gov.uk/student-finance/who-qualifies0
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