Are degrees in the UK value for money?

economic

Arklight wrote: »

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Jesus wept.

he sure did, when he saw what kind of person you are.

you want a more equal society. i am providing with a potential solution for it. a solution you can actually act on right now. why dont you lead by example and be the first to implement your own idea?

Arklight

Cakeguts wrote: »

It tells you how many students are in employment or further study after 6 months. It doesn't tell you how many of the students are in employment as shelf stackers in supermarkets (there is nothing wrong with stacking shelves in supermarkets but no one needs a degree to do it. I wonder how many students realise that they will get a minimum wage job after their degree if they can get any job at all?)

It doesn't tell you how many students are working in minimum wage jobs and it doesn't tell you how many people are doing masters degrees at dud universities in subjects like fashion because they realise that they can't get a job.

This information is not provided by universities (I wonder why?) It is not provided by schools because of the league tables and the teachers jobs. So where does someone get it from?

https://www.thecompleteuniversityguide.co.uk/careers/what-do-graduates-do-and-earn/what-do-graduates-earn/

Graduate Prospects (maximum score 100.0)

What is it?

A measure of the employability of a university's first degree graduates.

Where does it come from?

HESA data for 2014–15.

How does it work?

The number of graduates who take up employment or further study divided by the total number of graduates with a known destination expressed as a percentage. Only employment in an area that normally recruits graduates was included. The results were then adjusted to take account of the subject mix at the university.

Oh look Cakeguts, you were completely wrong, again.

economic

Arklight wrote: »

You can filter it by course and by university by clicking the relevant setting at the top of the table

wheres the median salaries?

where is the mean and median starting salaries by university AND course?

chucknorris

Arklight wrote: »

In what way is this not taxed? I feel like I am speaking to a child.

I think he literally means 'wealth tax', it does exist in a lot of countries, where on top of all other conventional taxes (which of course are taxing your actual wealth, sort of), there is yet another tax i.e. 'wealth tax' which is based on your actual wealth.

Cakeguts

Arklight wrote: »

https://www.thecompleteuniversityguide.co.uk/careers/what-do-graduates-do-and-earn/what-do-graduates-earn/



Oh look Cakeguts, you were completely wrong, again.

Yes I read it like that to start with. I read graduate prospects as graduate level jobs. However it doesn't say that. It says graduate prospects. When I looked at it properly I realised that it actually meant percentage of graduates who got a job in the first 6 month. Any job not a graduate level one. Once you realise this you also realise that no university actually says how many of its students on each course actually get a job that needs a degree. It also doesn't say how many of those that get a job get one in a subject related to the degree.

The way these things are written so that they can deceive people who are not used to reading between the lines is another thing that annoys me. How much experience of misleading advertising have 17 year olds had?

A lot of the information that universities provide about their courses is very misleading. How they get away with it I have no idea.

Arklight

chucknorris wrote: »

I think he literally means 'wealth tax', it does exist in a lot of countries, where on top of all other conventional taxes (which of course are taxing your actual wealth, sort of), there is yet another tax i.e. 'wealth tax' which is based on your actual wealth.

I don't have any problem with paying tax if it's used for inward investment. I have a problem paying tax which is then used to provide corporate welfare for companies that don't pay any themselves and don't pay their staff a living wage so the state has to provide working benefits, or to plug holes in tax avoidance by the very rich.

I have a real problem with the demonising of the poor that is repeated over and over again on this forum.

economic

Arklight wrote: »

I don't have any problem with paying tax if it's used for inward investment. I have a problem paying tax which is then used to provide corporate welfare for companies that don't pay any themselves and don't pay their staff a living wage so the state has to provide working benefits, or to plug holes in tax avoidance by the very rich.

I have a real problem with the demonising of the poor that is repeated over and over again on this forum.

who is demonising the poor? do you even know what demonising means?

i am demonising leftist ideas but not the poor.

economic

Cakeguts wrote: »

Yes I read it like that to start with. I read graduate prospects as graduate level jobs. However it doesn't say that. It says graduate prospects. When I looked at it properly I realised that it actually meant percentage of graduates who got a job in the first 6 month. Any job not a graduate level one. Once you realise this you also realise that no university actually says how many of its students on each course actually get a job that needs a degree. It also doesn't say how many of those that get a job get one in a subject related to the degree.

The way these things are written so that they can deceive people who are not used to reading between the lines is another thing that annoys me. How much experience of misleading advertising have 17 year olds had?

A lot of the information that universities provide about their courses would is very misleading. How they get away with it I have no idea.

in summary the guide is mis-selling. it is not complete at all. not by a long stretch. how anyone can make informed decisions based on this information is beyond me.

economic

when i decided on universities, i just chose the most reputable i could get into for my course. i didnt bother looks at average salaries - i knew they were misleading. there was no granular enough data.

all i knew was my course at my uni would likely lead to very good paying jobs in the future. thats why i did it. no guide or survey helped at all in making my decision.

GreatApe

Are degrees in the UK value for money?

Find a kid about to start a 3 year media studies degree at Luton poly and say you will give them £60k not to go to university and just start working and see which one he values more