Are degrees in the UK value for money?

Windofchange

GreatApe wrote: »

If you were paying for him to study it you could be justified in making such an argument

From the numerous posts about being an unemployed banker, it sounds like I am! Is it jobseekers allowance day tomorrow?

economic

Windofchange wrote: »

From the numerous posts about being an unemployed banker, it sounds like I am! Is it jobseekers allowance day tomorrow?

I was wondering when you would show up Mr BagOfWind. Judging by the posts its another day you woke up on the wrong side of bed? So much anger and bitterness!

Dont forget to take your anger tablets and meditate - it'll be good for you.

kinger101

Windofchange wrote: »

But hang on a minute, Python is 5th in the list of the top 12 most in demand programming languages:

https://www.techworld.com/picture-gallery/careers/uks-top-12-most-in-demand-programming-languages-3612638/

"Python is an easy-to learn language and provides a stepping stone into the world of programming." Bless its little cotton socks.

I reckon we should scrap all python courses as it is obviously a substandard mediocre programming language, and force everyone to learn proper coding such as Java or C+. What is the point in wasting time letting people study it when it is only middle of the table for earnings? Get rid of all python courses! Out with the rubbish!

Python was one of the higher paid ones. C++ less in demand and lower paid. Java is pants.

economic

kinger101 wrote: »

Python was one of the higher paid ones. C++ less in demand and lower paid. Java is pants.

I was going to say the same. It is also quite easy to learn Java once you know Python and vice versa. Its also a lot more straight forward learning other OOP once you learn one.

Also all these languages are used for different purposes. The survey was done simply on the number of job postings. I am not surprised SQL is at the top as its a database querying language and pretty much all companies have some form of a database or another.

Windofchange

economic wrote: »

I was wondering when you would show up Mr BagOfWind. Judging by the posts its another day you woke up on the wrong side of bed? So much anger and bitterness!

Dont forget to take your anger tablets and meditate - it'll be good for you.

Yup, check out the anger and sadness in those two posts. Brrrrr. Sends the chills right through you doesn't it!?

print "The struggle to learn the complexities of Python is real!"
print "Economic is struggling with this stuff"
print "It's proper hard"

economic

Windofchange wrote: »

Yup, check out the anger and sadness in those two posts. Brrrrr. Sends the chills right through you doesn't it!?

print "The struggle to learn the complexities of Python is real!"
print "Economic is struggling with this stuff"
print "It's proper hard"

just search for all your posts, you will see all the anger you portray in your replies. specially against me.

Windofchange

economic wrote: »

just search for all your posts, you will see all the anger you portray in your replies. specially against me.

print "don't confuse anger with frustration"
print "night night, sweet dreams"
print "Good luck with the python"

Cakeguts

economic wrote: »

Its a classic bubble that has been allowed to form and self feed onto itself.

Taxpayer funding for degrees
-> More useless degrees
-> More employers require a degree for filtering
-> more demand from students (also schools encouraging this too)
-> Politicians see more votes if they provide more funding for degrees
-> Taxpayer funding for degrees
-> AND THE CYCLE REPEATS

This must have been going on for decades from labour and conservatives hence the existing bubble as we see it today.

Just now I was reading something interesting. There is a university in the West Country that that would be top of my hit list to close and turn into something else. It only runs courses in useless degrees. However what I read was that the university and students inject £60m into the local economy and a lot of people are making money because this useless university is there running useless courses. It is one of the universities that people go to if they can't get into anything better so if it was closed students would be better off but the area that it is in would lose £60m of taxpayers money.

That university is being run in order to inject taxpayers money into that part of the country. How many other places are getting taxpayers money by this method?

zagubov

One positive aspect of the waves of new university building is the transfer of students and money out of London which already has enough of both to places where money and the young used to leave.

SingleSue

GreatApe wrote: »

Presumably that job position would have existed had your boy gone or not gone to university.

In which case your boy having attended university didn't create for the country higher paying more productive job positions

Taking things further would your boy have faired better or worse if instead of 45% going to university 90% went?


Only 10% of the jobs that exist in the country need higher level education.
When you push university attendance past that point you just get inflation. Already more than half of graduate are in non graduate jobs. And even the half that do have graduate jobs half of them are jobs that wouldn't have been considered degree necessary jobs a generation ago.

It was already happening a generation ago.

I left school at 16 (over 30 years ago now), I didn't do A levels or a degree and went straight into employment. Imagine my annoyance after working hard and moving up the ladder at my company to then be given recent graduates on a graduate scheme to train.

You didn't need a degree to do my role, you didn't even need A levels but here we were in the very early 90's with graduates on a fast track management scheme, coming in on more money than my basic (but not actual earnings - you didn't get to where I was working 9-5) and they didn't have the first clue what to do. It was my job to train them not just in the sector but also in management and because none of their degrees were related to the business, I really had to go right back to basics and explain absolutely everything, just as if it was 16 year old school leaver in front of me.

Was I peed off? You bet your botty bot I was!